How has Former President Trump pissed you off today?

[jsc1953]

@Snarky_Kong

Trump asked DOJ to explore extraditing Fetullah Gulen to Turkey in order to get Turkey to back off Saudi Arabia over the Kashoggi murder.

Let a dictator murder a dissident so that another dictator that murdered a dissident will continue to spend money at Trump’s hotel.

To ease Turkish pressure on Saudis over killing, White House weighs expelling Erdogan foe

My totally unsupported wild speculation: Trump is getting billion dollar kickbacks on arms deals with Saudi Arabia; and his worst nightmare is that he has to impose sanctions, killing the deal.

[jasg]

and to continue excerpts from the Vox piece above, Matthew Yglesias concludes with:

The main throughline is that even though Trump makes no sense, tramples on basic values routinely, and has no grasp of the actual substance of his job, he does have a large, well-financed, and fairly relentless conservative propaganda apparatus at his back that tries to obscure his failings from their audience while trusting that keeping him in power is broadly beneficial for the goals of the conservative movement — even if he is only dimly aware of what those goals are.

So we’re left with a president who is both relatively likely to blunder us into some catastrophe and likely to respond to catastrophe in inappropriate or illegal ways.

[Siam_Sam]

@psychonaut

If no ID was shown, then why couldn’t you instead switch hats and give them a different name? As long as it matches someone on the roll who hasn’t voted yet, then you can pose as them. IIRC voter rolls are often public records, so finding a list of extra names to use might not be a big problem. (Heck, you could even make a note of some of the names on the big spreadsheet you sign for your real vote.) If you show up at the polling station early enough, you have a good chance of voting before anyone you want to impersonate.

@davidm

And a good chance of a prison sentence. Other people in line may be that person’s neighbors, or the poll workers may know that person. Who would take that risk for an extra vote that likely wouldn’t make a difference?

@psychonaut

No, I’d say there’s a rather small chance of getting caught. The rolls for any given voting station are large enough that the people working there, and the people in line, will collectively know only a small fraction of the voters. Still, even if I were the sort of person who would want to tamper with an election, the risk of impersonating another voter is big enough that I would never do it myself.

Anyway, I’m not saying that this sort of fraud is widespread, or even that it’s happened at all. I’m just trying to provide a more plausible scenario than the one envisaged by Locrian. That is, if they’re not checking ID, then the best way of double voting is to impersonate another voter, not to try to cast two votes for yourself by convincing the polling staff that they crossed off the wrong name.

1. Zero evidence of this has been found despite investigations.
2. As a former polling-place official myself, I find this notion of repeat voting as posited by Republican filth beyond ludicrous.

In other areas, someone today equated that scumbag Matthew Whitaker’s dissing of Marbury v. Madison with a physicist denying the law of gravity. I thought that was quite good.

[Little_Nemo]

@ThelmaLou

More from the Vox link. The Capt. Queeg moment is here.

I think this section is more of the Holy Fuck moment. The interviewers ask Trump about what policies his administration is currently focusing on.

THE DAILY CALLER: Sir, right now, in 2010 we saw several pieces of major legislation passed in a lame-duck Congress. What can we expect your and the Republican agenda to be in this Congress? Is it going to be an immigration fix? What about criminal justice reform? What are the two to three things you’re looking at?

TRUMP: We’re working on many things. Criminal justice reform we’re working on very hard. We have a meeting today, did you know about that? We have a meeting today.

THE DAILY CALLER: We heard about that.

TRUMP: Get these two in, all right? I think we have a chance at that. We should be able to fix health care. We should be able —

THE DAILY CALLER: Just one second, sir, on that criminal justice bill. Is that the Jared Kushner-backed bill that you want to focus on?

TRUMP: The answer is I’m looking at it very closely, okay? I am. It’s a good thing. You know, Texas is backing it, if you look at Mississippi and Georgia and a lot of other places, they believe in it, those governors, and they’re conservative people. Rick Perry’s a big fan.

You know, a lot of people are backing it. Look at the people that are backing it. Even, you know, like Mike Lee, he votes against a lot of things and we respect Mike and Mike is backing it. We have a lot of people that are backing this.

Criminal justice reform is supposedly the top policy Trump is currently working on. But he can’t answer any basic questions about what the policy is. And according to Trump he had been at a meeting to discuss it earlier that day.

[Little_Nemo]

@psychonaut

If no ID was shown, then why couldn’t you instead switch hats and give them a different name? As long as it matches someone on the roll who hasn’t voted yet, then you can pose as them. IIRC voter rolls are often public records, so finding a list of extra names to use might not be a big problem. (Heck, you could even make a note of some of the names on the big spreadsheet you sign for your real vote.) If you show up at the polling station early enough, you have a good chance of voting before anyone you want to impersonate.

@psychonaut

No, I’d say there’s a rather small chance of getting caught. The rolls for any given voting station are large enough that the people working there, and the people in line, will collectively know only a small fraction of the voters. Still, even if I were the sort of person who would want to tamper with an election, the risk of impersonating another voter is big enough that I would never do it myself.

Anyway, I’m not saying that this sort of fraud is widespread, or even that it’s happened at all. I’m just trying to provide a more plausible scenario than the one envisaged by Locrian. That is, if they’re not checking ID, then the best way of double voting is to impersonate another voter, not to try to cast two votes for yourself by convincing the polling staff that they crossed off the wrong name.

You should prove us wrong just like Roxanne Rubin did. She wanted to show everyone how easy it is to commit voter fraud so she deliberately set out to vote twice.

Republican Arrested For Trying To Vote Twice

[mistymage]

@Siam_Sam

1. Zero evidence of this has been found despite investigations.
2. As a former polling-place official myself, I find this notion of repeat voting as posited by Republican filth beyond ludicrous.

In other areas, someone today equated that scumbag Matthew Whitaker’s dissing of Marbury v. Madison with a physicist denying the law of gravity. I thought that was quite good.

I know I mostly post when… drunkenly amused… but I already posted in this thread about 2 times of voting shenanigans: 1 of someone voting for his ex-wife (uhh, he voted her vote for whomever by mailing it in… not he voted for her in a race) and 1 trying to vote twice as herself in the same state (my homestate of Iowa…). Both being trump supporters.

https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21324108&postcount=4998

It happens but it does get caught.

[MrDibble]

@dasmoocher

Vox had a recap:

"Trump’s latest interview shows a president who’s in way over his head

He has no idea what he’s doing, but what else is new?"

He thinks a 70-40 split is possible. That says it all, really…

[DesertDog]

@magellan01

Evidently the vasty majority of the caravan is still on its way. We’ll have to see the degree to which the caravan remains intact, grows, shrinks, etc. in order assess how big a problem it will be as it reaches the border. Trump did the right thing in getting things in place before the moment when they me actually be needed. Reacting after the problem materializes is not wise.

And do what about the caravan, exactly? The Posse Comitatus Act specifically prevents those deployed from arresting them.

@Wiki

The purpose of the act – in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807 – is to limit the powers of the federal government in using federal military personnel to enforce domestic policies within the United States.

I suppose if the caravan was a genuine invasion – I saw all those AKs slung over their shoulders – the Army could be unleashed but shooting civilians is even more distasteful then separating families.

Face it. All the sturm and drang about the caravan was a $200-million pre-election ploy to stir up angst in certain parts of the voting populace. As soon as the election was over, it had served its purpose and was dropped like a used tissue.

[BeenJammin]

@DrFidelius

Stupid people believe in stupid solutions to problems. Smarter people recognize that the problems are more complex than that.

And the population’s sensible people of any IQ representing the vast majority don’t give a flyin’ fuck about the nonsense the so-called stupid vs. smart blocs seem to always be so riled up about. :rolleyes:

[Kimstu]

@BeenJammin

And the population’s sensible people of any IQ representing the vast majority don’t give a flyin’ fuck about the nonsense the so-called stupid vs. smart blocs seem to always be so riled up about. :rolleyes:

If they’re so sensible, you’d think they’d be strongly opposed to the stupid bloc spending vast amounts of taxpayer money on “security theater” propaganda displays to get their voters “riled up” about “nonsense issues” like the so-called “caravan invasion”.

[Buck_Godot]

@mistymage

I know I mostly post when… drunkenly amused… but I already posted in this thread about 2 times of voting shenanigans: 1 of someone voting for his ex-wife (uhh, he voted her vote for whomever by mailing it in… not he voted for her in a race) and 1 trying to vote twice as herself in the same state (my homestate of Iowa…). Both being trump supporters.

https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21324108&postcount=4998

It happens but it does get caught.

#1 rule of propaganda: Never believe your own propaganda.

[Elendil_s_Heir]

@Little_Nemo

…Criminal justice reform is supposedly the top policy Trump is currently working on. But he can’t answer any basic questions about what the policy is. And according to Trump he had been at a meeting to discuss it earlier that day.

Reluctant as I am to defend POTUS on anything, he twice said “we have a meeting,” not “we had a meeting.”

[Elendil_s_Heir]

A Trump-appointed Federal judge orders the White House to give CNN’s Jim Acosta back his press pass: CNN-Trump lawsuit hearing: Judge orders White House to return Jim Acosta's press pass | CNN Business

[BeenJammin]

@Elendil_s_Heir

A Trump-appointed Federal judge orders the White House to give CNN’s Jim Acosta back his press pass: https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/16/media/cnn-trump-lawsuit-hearing/index.html

And that pissed you off?

[magellan01]

@DesertDog

And do what about the caravan, exactly? The Posse Comitatus Act specifically prevents those deployed from arresting them.I suppose if the caravan was a genuine invasion – I saw all those AKs slung over their shoulders – the Army could be unleashed but shooting civilians is even more distasteful then separating families.

The military is going to provide non-contact support, freeing up those who can engage, and arrest if necessary, those trying to come in.

@DesertDog

Face it. All the sturm and drang about the caravan was a $200-million pre-election ploy to stir up angst in certain parts of the voting populace. As soon as the election was over, it had served its purpose and was dropped like a used tissue.

I’ll wait and see what transpires in the coming weeks as more of the caravan either makes it here or disperses. You, of course, are free to rush to a conclusion before things play out one way or another.

As far as it being a ploy, you may want to request answers about how this came about in the first place, and who has been paying to enable the caravan. THEY are the ones who had some grand plan, no?

[GIGObuster]

@BeenJammin

And that pissed you off?

You are not very bright, are you?

[The_Tooth]

@magellan01

The military is going to provide non-contact support, freeing up those who can engage, and arrest if necessary, those trying to come in.

I’ll wait and see what transpires in the coming weeks as more of the caravan either makes it here or disperses. You, of course, are free to rush to a conclusion before things play out one way or another.

As far as it being a ploy, you may want to request answers about how this came about in the first place, and who has been paying to enable the caravan. THEY are the ones who had some grand plan, no?

No.

[Elendil_s_Heir]

@BeenJammin

And that pissed you off?

More in the nature of an update on something Trump did that did piss me off. But I suspect you knew that.

[dasmoocher]

@magellan01

As far as it being a ploy, you may want to request answers about how this came about in the first place, and who has been paying to enable the caravan. THEY are the ones who had some grand plan, no?

Why I just bet it’s George Soros. After colluding with Hillary and Obama and the Russians, of course.

[enipla]

@dasmoocher

Why I just bet it’s George Soros. After colluding with Hillary and Obama and the Russians, of course.

Of course. It’s a grand double cross with a triple dog dare ya thrown in order to get… something.

While in reality all the attention to the caravan fleeing across Mexico did was get more Republicans to vote.

Now… Crickets.