Here is the claim I made regarding Soros, from Post #5067:
That’s a very gentle claim, and one I still stand by. I do think it is “safe to say” that money from Soros has helped fund the caravan. Did I claim he wrote a check to distantly for the purposes of helping the caravan? No. Do I believe ehe did that? No. I do think that his goals about immigration and the objective of the caravan are completely in alignment. And given that he funds the causes he believes in, that it would be odd if his dollars were not going to help the caravan. Here’s some info that helps support that. To save you the time, I’m not claiming it is “proof” of anything and you are, of course, free to ignore it in part or totality. But if I had to bet if funding from Soros made it’s way to help the caravan, I’d take that bet. Would you take the bet not he other side? If so, why do you think it more likely than not that his dollars would not have gone to help those in the caravan?
As a side note, I do not blame Soros for funding anything he might believe in. If I have a problem with his funding here (assuming he did) it is only to the extent that he he is trying to subvert the sovereignty of the U.S. by assisting a swarm of individuals that anything sentient being knows will, and does, contain gang members and those not eligible for asylum.
That’s all I really have to say about Soros, but I’d be curious to hear your answer to me question.
The more I hear things like that the more then I think that Trump and his followers do admit that he is a failure on identifying those. Of curse the reason why to concentrate on possible gang members is to deny any chances to asylum seekers that deserve it to get in.
As I looked at the explanation from Snopes about the Beto campaign, calling what you showed “evidence” is a travesty. As it is the one that seeks to criminalize Soros just by association coming from World [del]Nut[/del] News Daily and others. That message of hate failed to convince most voters for the house of representatives in the past election.
I didn’t click your link (Soros gives to charity, Dog bites man :rolleyes: — come back when you have Man bites dog, or Trump gives to charity). But, not recognizing your “news source,” I did Google it:
With thousands of different sources on the 'Web, I’m always curious how they’re chosen. Is this a go-to source for you? Linked from another news source? Result of Google search? None of my business?
(For that matter, how reliable is mediabiasfactcheck.com ? I was led there by Google. Googling it in turn leads to generally favorable reviews except from right-wing outlets — hardly surprising of course since right-wing facts often fail under scrutiny from fact checkers.)
Without belaboring the point, I would say that you’ve walked back the claim just a bit, but it’s not worth arguing about. And, no, I would not take the bet that none of his dollars have made their way to the relief organizations assisting the caravan. But to say that ‘giving money to a relief organization is funding the caravan’ is more than a bit of a stretch, IMHO.
The Catholic Legal Immigration Network is among the groups noted by your cite that is also assisting the caravan. This Network, which has 330 programs across the country, certainly has received funding from a fair number of American Catholics. Are those good folks also trying to subvert the sovereignty of the United State? For that matter, is anybody who donates to a relief organization that gives aid to the people in the caravan trying to subvert the sovereignty of the United States?
You’re really, really bad at finding cites to back up your claims.
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Give Trump credit. He passed all eight years of Obama’s golfing numbers in his first year in office.
I feel it’s no coincidence that Trump wants to bypass the rest of the federal court system right after he got Kavanaugh on the court. Trump probably now feels the Supreme Court will give him the amount of rubber stamping he wants.
The problem is that everyone knows Trump is right. (No matter how much I hate to say it.) Judges are appointed specifically because they are expected to be partisan shills, and the public votes for representatives who will appoint partisan judges. The persistent abortion debate and the Kavanaugh hearing should be proof enough of that.
The linked article includes a quote, “that it may be more difficult to convince the public of justices’ impartiality from politics.” Truer words were never spoken.
So you don’t believe he directly funded the caravan, but you do think it makes sense that Soros’s money made its way to the caravan. You have no supporting proof or cites, but you think Soros wants to bring down the system by importing criminals.
OK, how about this? Since you like to speculate, now try envisioning the motivations of the caravan’s members. They say they’re fleeing hostile conditions in their own countries. There’s drug gangs, corrupt governments and police, and horrible economic conditions. The caravaners are carrying all their possessions on their backs and walking through thousands of miles of unpleasant conditions. There’s weather they have no shelter from, they have little or no money to buy food, and they risk poachers who run-and-grab. They’re not getting any protection from the Mexican government. On top of that, there’s no guarantee they’ll be able to enter the US with Trump-era paranoia fortifying the borders. Why would a select cadre of Soros-funded criminals want to enter the US via such difficult conditions?
Look at the next sentence and commit it to memory. There’s much easier ways of entering the US! Where is Soros’s money going? There’s no evidence the caravaners are benefiting from it. At the very least, Soros’s money could buy fake passports and fly them in.
Why are conservatives so willing to believe such flimsy conspiracies nowadays? They used to be the party of truth and accountability. Now they cover their own inadequacies by assuming liberal boogeymen are controlling their lives behind the scenes. We had a Republican-controlled DC for the past couple of years, and somehow their troubles are increasing. Will they ever go back to their dogma of personal responsibility?
Because they pulled their own rug out from under themselves. They abandoned actual conservative principles for the fast track to populist power. Their only principle now is get elected and do our financiers’ bidding.
First, I did offer cites. I agree they are not “proof” of anything, but they are evidence. If you think the evidence weak, that is fine. But it does not mean it does not exist.
What is your point? Do you not think that the caravan members and George Soros cannot each have their own motivations? Answer: they can and do. Cold your really not figure that out on your own. Yes.
The logistics of doing so would be much, much more difficult. But perhaps that is being done, as well. And, again, you seem to grasp the difference between proof and evidence.
The only point I can see in this is your claim about flimsy conspiracies. Newsflash: the caravan exists. It is real. Here is more proof.
Actually I’d say what happened is that so-called conservatives like George W. Bush and his ilk refused to uphold the laws and the sovereignty of the U.S. by being lax on illegal immigration. They joined in an unholy marriage of convenience: the Reps got to supply their business donors with an unending stream of cheap illegal labor; the Dems got to play the race card and bet that every person entering via our southern border would eventually, through an amnesty, become a D vote.
Thank you for answering. As far religious groups like the one you mention, I think they confuse the responsibility of individuals and their organization with the responsibilities of the state. I am not of the mind that the state should allow religious beliefs to outweigh the Constitution and the rule of law. If a priest is going to break the law, I’d simply arrest him. It might go too far to say that they are trying to subvert the sovereignty of the US, but they are trying to subvert the rule of law. But I think that becomes a free speech issue. But what I was alluding to above about arresting a priest or similar has to do with harboring illegal criminals and the like.
But that’s not at all an answer to the question I asked. Earlier, you stated
By your logic, any dollar that Soros may have given to some organization that eventually trickled down to a group that is directly assisting the caravan members with food, water, or shelter is ‘trying to subvert the sovereignty of the U.S.’
So I’ll ask again, more specifically: If I make a donation to an organization that I know is aiding the people in the caravan, am I trying to subvert the sovereignty of the U.S.?