Remember the Golden Years, when they all just thought of us as loud, rude, and poorly dressed? Good times!
That article is pretty good. Nitpick: Trump did tell a funny joke, once, that I can remember. He was making a joke about how unfair the media is. Michelle Obama gives a speech, and the media falls over itself with praise. Now, when my wife gives * the exact same speech…*
I thought that was pretty good. Nothing close to redeeming him, but I like to keep things honest.
Andy Kaufman Goes to Washington.
I will bet you A MILLION DOLLARS that Trump did NOT think of that himself.
Seriously.
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You are definitely correct. NO WAY did he think that up. And I’ll bet that whoever wrote it and gave it to him to say, s/he had to explain it to thump about a zillion times and thump still didn’t get it.
DONALD: So I say, “My wife says something and they think it’s Michelle Obama.”
STAFFER: No, sir, no. You say “Michelle Obama gives a speech, and everyone loves it. My wife Melania gives the exact same speech, and people get on her case.”
DONALD: I say “Michelle Obama gets on Melania’s case and everyone loves it.”
STAFFER: Uh, no, sir. [repeats the joke]
DONALD: I say “If the exact speech is in the case it’s Michelle Obama loving Melania.”
STAFFER: [sighs] Sir, there’s no Teleprompter because it’s a charity dinner, so we’ll just have it written in your speech on cards, and you can read it.
DONALD: Fine, fine. Melania will be so angry! This is going to be great. Oh, and we need a lot more jokes about Hillary being crooked. Put in something about John McCain getting captured, too. Lots of laughs in that!
…Note that the joke was not at Donald’s own expense. There’s no way he’d ever tell a joke, no matter how well-written by his staff, on himself.
Were you that bulge behind the [gold] draperies in the Oval Office?
Do you think he’s capable of perceiving when a joke is on him?
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Cite?
Look, I don’t like the guy either. Maybe you are right, but it could also be the case that your animus is undermining your sense of detachment and warping your cognition via denial. “Trump can never do anything right! Must. deny. reality!!” This very well may be a desired effect of the “mob voodoo” we’re all subjected to by this criminal administration.
But I haven’t really developed that thesis, and the “pissed at Trump” thread is not the place to do it. Carry on.
That joke employed a level of self deprication that is utterly beyond Trump. It was a good joke. No way Trump came up with it.
I’ll allow him the very smallest amount of credit for actually using it, though, because I’m a generous fellow.
I had a friend that was into the apprentice, so I saw far more of it than I ever would have liked.
At no time did Trump show any sort of sense of humor that was not a crass sense of laughing at the misfortunes of others.
As speeches like that tend to be written by others, and trump has shown absolutely no sign that he would have the sense of humor to come up with that joke, well, I won’t bet a million dollars that I don’t have on it, but I would certainly, after a preponderance of the evidence, come to the conclusion that he most likely did not come up with it himself.
OTOH, it is possible that he did come up with it himself, but not meant as a joke, but as a genuine confusion.
Did you really respond to somebody saying they bet a million dollars on something for a cite? Does this mean if he provided one you would owe him a million dollars?
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I don’t have a million to bet, so the whole question is moot.
Claim was, Trump never once told a joke, at least one that wasn’t cruel or punching down. I provide an example, and the response is, “that’s not his joke!” I dunno, maybe, maybe not. He Did tell it…
It set off my Archimedes alarm. You know, the guy who said something to the effect of, “give me a fixed point and a place to stand and I can move the world.” I am suspicious of what Trump and his cronies are up to. When I see examples of people seeming to be conditioned by all this bullshit, I wonder if that is the goal. Tell 10,000 lies so that people are imbued with animus and locked emotionally into some specific opinion. Then, use that as leverage to pry them away from apprehending reality. Because let’s face it, religious fundamentalism doesn’t work like it used to, and if the general population is not sufficiently divided against itself by buying into a load of crap, they threaten to unite in their own interest, which is (slightly) bad for the billionaire class.
Maybe I am just paranoid. But all I am asking is that we keep it real.
Can we talk about how Individual 1 thinks he invented 4th of July celebrations?
“HOLD THE DATE! We will be having one of the biggest gatherings in the history of Washington, D.C., on July 4th. It will be called “A Salute To America” and will be held at the Lincoln Memorial. Major fireworks display, entertainment and an address by your favorite President, me!”
You don’t think that joke was even a little cruel to his wife?
That time he urged the Russians to find Hillary’s “missing e-mails”? I think he was joking, to the extent that humor is a thing for him. It has elements of mockery in it, which is as close as he gets. Now, when he did that pantomime of a physically challenged reporter, *that *was a joke. Cruel and nasty. Hence, sincere.
I took it as self-deprecating about his war on the press, and also a sort of admission of fault, something that W would annoyingly never do. The plagarism had been all over the press, it had already reflected badly on Melania and Team Trump. By making light of it in this way, I felt like he was actually letting the glue stick to himself for once. Yeah, like a joke.
Step back and maybe you could say Obama and other D pols don’t personalize anything and everything the way Trump and some Rs do, but OTOH Melania was already being called out publicly and making light of it seemed to defuse the issue. Step back some more and this is a pretty small island of appropriateness in a sea of misdeeds. Still, I really did take it as a decent joke.
Self-deprecating? it was wife-deprecating, not self deprecating, It wasn’t a joke about HIS plagiarism, it was all Melania’s - and it was immediately followed by the statement that she didnt know and ha-ha, now he was in trouble. It may be the most successfully, deliberately funny that he has said, but it was in no way self-deprecating.
Compare with a joke that Obama made -he said that Every day he was reminded that he was an imperfect man, if not by events, then by Michelle. The crux of that joke is that he, Obama, has flaws, and it pulls his wife into the joke as well, maybe “ourselves-deprecating”. While Trump was saying that yes, even* his wife was flawed. * If anything it highlighted that it wasn’t something Trump did, it was his wife.
Perhaps she was in on the joke, perhaps she didnt mind, hell, maybe she was the one who suggested the joke to him. But it was a joke at someone’s else expense, not his own.
You’re absolutely right. It was quite a good joke, and it was told by Trump. The claim that he’s never said anything funny is not 100% true.
But to put it in perspective: let’s say everything he’s said and done in the past 4 years has earned him 1 million demerits. The Melania-plagiarism joke gets 100 counteracting brownie points. If he’d written it himself…500. If it had been directed at himself instead of his wife … 2500. If it had been ad-libbed…10,000 - but then, if my aunt had balls she’d be my uncle.
That’s a very good question. My guess is that he can’t figure out any word play involved in a joke, but he CAN observe the faces of others around him—and if they laugh and then stop and look at him with fear in their eyes, then the joke was on him.
That’s what I hoped would happen! Because I don’t have a million dollars myself, but one thing I knew: no one would be able to provide good evidence that Trump thought up that joke by himself. Whereas someone might be able to prove that he didn’t think it up, and then I’d get a million dollars!
Or something.
I don’t actually have warped cognition where Trump is concerned. If he did something right, I would be able to perceive it just fine.
There’s such a thing as learning from repeated observations. Unfortunately, at this point in time, many people have had the repeated opportunity to observe Trump. We have learned from that. Learning doesn’t mean a closed mind, of course. It merely means that it’s reasonable to let experience be our guide.
Your argument appears to be an attempt to revive the old “give him a fair chance!” cries that were employed during the first months of Trump’s presidency. By this time “give him a fair chance” falls on rather jaundiced ears (if ears, on their own, can be jaundiced).