Fact check: Trump, telling a completely fictional story, falsely claims he released ‘the tape’ of his Zelensky call.
"Facts First: Trump’s story is a complete fabrication. No tape of his call with Zelensky was ever released; Pelosi could not possibly have been angry with her allies after hearing a tape of the call because she has never heard a tape of the call. In fact, as of nearly five years after the July 2019 call, there is no known US recording of the conversation. What Trump’s White House actually released in September 2019 was a rough written transcript of the call — which corroborated, rather than contradicted, a government whistleblower’s central allegations about what Trump had said. Pelosi spokesperson Aaron Bennett said Sunday that Trump’s story is “fact-free nonsense.” https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/17/politics/fact-check-trump-ukraine-zelensky-call-pelosi/?dicbo=v2-W9vfPmE
Apparently now he is suing ABC News and George Stephanopoulous for defamation after GS described him, accurately, as having been “found liable for rape”. Not really sure what his argument is going to be there, but I’m sure it will be stupid.
As I recall, the reason it wasn’t considered rape in the E. Jean Carroll case is because the NY definition of rape involves penetration specifically with the penis but Trump does not pack the gear to accomplish this from a standing position. So yeah, Trump… go ahead and remind the world that you didn’t commit rape because of that technicality.
a) is it really significantly more defamatory to say that someone committed “rape” as opposed to “sexual assault”?
b) Carroll herself repeatedly used the word “rape” to describe her experience, and the judge specifically remarked that her allegations had been found “substantially true”.
Also, DWM, IIRC the issue was that, as he had her forced up against a wall, she couldn’t say for sure whether it was his finger or penis that penetrated her. And this lawsuit is going to revolve around just such discussion of the sordid details of the incident, which doesn’t seem likely to increase Trump’s appeal to voters.
Trump’s argument was that he didn’t technically commit rape because Carroll couldn’t be certain he penetrated her with his tiny mushroom or if it was a tiny finger. By statute at the time of the assault at least, that meant it wasn’t rape under NY law. So when he called her a liar, he was being accurate (by his argument).
However, the jury did not buy that because either way what he did to her would be considered rape by a “reasonable person” so her accusation wasn’t false and Trump was liable for defamation by knowingly make a false claim that she was a liar.
By the same measure, if George is saying Trump was found liable for rape, that is just as accurate as it was when Carroll said it, and Trump’s defamation claim is completely groundless.
Didn’t that judge (or some judge in the whole sordid matter) go on record saying that rape was a perfectly reasonable way of describing what was proven at trial, NY’s definition notwithstanding?
Absolutely not coincidentally, the NY state assembly recently passed a law changing the legal definition to match, i.e. non-consensual, forced sexual contact can be prosecuted as rape, regardless of penetration or organs involved