He did talk about it, loudly, publicly and repeatedly. Weird to me that people are caught off guard by him actually doing things he said he would do.
Have you read the threads about Trump turning countries into states?
Where at least one poster insists that it’s just Trump being Trump and there’s nothing to see here.
From what I’ve seen around here, his biggest supporters know the least about him. They brag endlessly about how much TV and internet news they watch/read, and yet, they still remain fundamentally ignorant of almost everything about Trump.
One guy at the pub is the biggest pro-union guy I know, but he’d never in his life heard about Trump’s history of screwing over working men by refusing to pay them. And he refused to look when I tried to show him stories about it.
That’s a level of ignorance you literally can’t fight.
I just read this essay in The Bulwark and it’s devastating in its dissection of what Trump has done. My apologies if someone’s already posted the link.
My favorite line, sad but true:
Europeans are moving ahead with their own security plans because they realize, as a French minister put it, “We cannot leave the security of Europe in the hands of voters in Wisconsin every four years.”
I know I shouldn’t, but I often check out the comments to Facebook news posts from our local news providers. I have noticed a distinct shift in comments, both the content but also the volume. Recent news articles on the “hands off” protests or tariffs effects on local companies would’ve generated a couple dozen comments at most. The comments would be from both “sides” and would often include names you started to recognize. Now, hundreds of comments and way more from the “right” spewing the right’s talking points.
Sure seems to me that a lot of the comments by users could be found across a bunch of FB articles.Russia?
It’s amazing how many people never heard. They just heard he was going to “fix everything” and that was enough for them.
They knew he’d hurt lots of "those people", and that’s what most Americans regard as fixing things. Hurting "those people".
One of “those people” may be my sister, who works for a state university medical school that gets a lot of Federal funding. This is what prompted last night’s conversation.
No, you can’t fight it. You just have to euthanise.
I keep seeing stories where some Trump voter is surprised that they are being negatively impacted by his actions. IMHO, this is a reflection of the reality that MAGAs (and Rs in general) care only about themselves. Until they are the one being shot on 5th Ave., they couldn’t care less. I know its an oversimplification but Democrats = “We”, Republicans = “Me”.
Come on, thats making broad assumptions and is oversimplifying. Quite frankly, it is more likely religion.
Discussing the US election with one of our employees who is an expatriate that lives here in Alberta now, he acknowledged the evilness of Trump and that he could not support him, but as a fundamentalist Catholic he struggled with supporting Kamala either because of his stance on abortion.
I am vehemently pro choice, and I believe anti abortion types choose a shallow and morally convenient stance. I don’t believe that makes them misogynists. This is a highly moral, compasionate person that as far as I can see treats and respects women the same as he does men.
People can be appalled at Trump and still strongly disagree with Democratic platforms.
My friend was born and raised in some variety of Christianity. He married a Jewish woman. For a while, he was looking into converting. That is a very difficult and lengthy process. He didn’t think he could do it. He was upset and I told him about Noahides (Basically the seven laws given to Noah are held to apply to all humanity. If are unable or unwilling to convert to Judaim, you can become a Noahide/ Bar Noah/ Bat Noah. You acknowledge that the G-d of Israel is the only god and follow the laws of Noah to the best of your ability. I once made a post that I wondered if anybody ever actually became a Noahide. I got a private message from one.)
So, in the case I mentioned, it was not religion.
Yeah, this does not disprove any thing Der_Trihs said. It does quite the opposite. As I have often mentioned, for the pat thirty years or so I have known a woman born in Panama. When so very many Hispanic voters went for Trump, I asked her why. The main answer is- Catholicism.
Besides wanting to ban abortion, they want “traditional values”. That means-
No LGBTQ+ rights
Women do not work but stay home to cook, clean and raise the kids.
She did indeed raise the point that cultures from Mexico on south are very patriarchal, many would not vote for a female Presidential candidate.
If anybody thinks that various groups would live in peace and equality without the white man oppressing them, think again. My friend also raised the point that many would not vote for a black candidate.
Various people have brought up this point in many threads. I and others have responded- Harris was at worst a politician you disagree with. Trump was clearly a greedy toddler and would be fascist who ran on a platform of hate and impossible promises. Many people, including me, predicted a second term for him could be the end of American democracy.
It was not a choice between two different flavors of ice cream. It was a choice between a scoop of ice cream and a scoop of raw sewage sprinkle with live cockroaches and medical waste.
While this is true, the current president of Mexico is female, so that raises the question as to how significant this issue really is for them.
This brings up another of her points, most Americans think of Mexico and all countries south of it as a single group. They are not, Except for Brazil, nearly everybody speaks Spanish. While some beliefs and practices from before the coming of Europeans still exist, most people are Catholic. Other than that, groups are very different.
Oh, I agree about the profound nature of the difference of consequence between the candidates.
Any competent critical thinker would recognize the significance of the dangers of a second Trump regime. Anyone that chose Trump or chose to abstain was either morally aligned with those consequences or too ignorant and or stupid to to recognize them.
I recognize that many were the former; actually comfortable with the repugnant moral reality of a second Trump regime. I don’t think all were though. I suspect that most were too ignorant, whether willyfully, or stupidly, or both.
Maybe its not a significant distinction. I recognize my arrogance in dismissing people as stupid as not much better than dismissing them as evil.
Misogyny is the entire point of opposing abortion. That’s like saying “he’s not racist, he just thinks black people should be slaves”.
And misogyny is hardly mutually exclusive with religion.
Thats overly simplistic. You are choosing to place people’s motivations in absolute and conveniently defined categories that suit your moral outrage. Don’t get me wrong, I am morally outraged about what is going on too. I do not think, though, that everyone that chose Trump or abstained did so out of mysogyny, racism or hate.
Sure, I have little doubt that misogyny played a major role in this election, and that it is a large part of the anti abortion movement. The bigger picture is more complex than that though. It doesn’t always come from mysogyny. I know this person well enough to see that.
He believes that humans have a soul that starts at conception, a soul is what is special about humans, and therefore abortion to him is murder. I think that is idiotic metaphysical crap and cowardly ethics that does not recognize its own hypocrisy, but it is not because he hates women. He also ‘did his own research’ and came to the conclusion to not get vaccinated for COVID, like many in his subculture. That makes him foolish and a lousy critical thinker in my mind, but not evil.
Its discouraging. Yes there are plenty of racist, mysogynist pigs that have come out of the woodwork, but thats not all this is. This is mostly terribly misinformed people, with none to little critical thinking skills, unable or unwilling to challenge their identy based reality, making bad decisions. This time the consequence of those decisions is devastating.
I don’t have a solution, I struggle to keep my emotions from boiling over when the sovereignty of my home and way of life has been so seriously threatened. If we are going to get through the this we have to bringat least some of these people into the rational light. Writing them off as morally corrupt is not going to get us there.
Which is a belief that exists for the sole purpose of justifying misogyny.
Don’t forget the a-political, and lazy. “My vote does not matter” types.