How psychotic are the Europeans? (Spin-off from The Psychotic States of America)

This thread it about crazy Americans. But I’d like to widen the question to other countries, too
(this may deserve a thread of its own, but let’s start here for now, okay?)

My question is : How psychotic are the Europeans?
And as a measuring tool*, let’s ask specifically–how many crazies do they have who are totally anti-vaccination?

For example: England just announced “freedom day”.(no more masks, etc)
That’s a phrase which in America I would expect to hear only from Fox news, or worse, from the fanatic right-wing “patriots” with guns. But in England, the phrase was used by all the mainstream media. How much resistance is there in England to wearing masks, etc? Is British society as divided and psychotic as America?

*In America, the crazies have the cult of Trump, but that’s unique to the USA, so it’s difficult to compare with crazy people in other countries. So let’s use a more objective tool, an issue which affects every society equally: covid.

Not at all. Compliance is certainly not perfect, either with masks or lockdowns, but there’s no large segment of the population completely rejecting the need for them. Almost 90% of adults have had at least one dose of vaccine, and that seems to have slowed, so it looks like we have about 10% anti-vaxxers. Younger people who are at less risk are less likely to have got the vaccine.

Every country has crazies. France is one of the most antivax countries in the world (this was pre-Covid, so measles and such). Germany has their own sovereign citizens.

Germany’s Querdenken 711 was heavily involved in anti-lockdown protests in Germany last year that featured an attempt to storm the Reichstag. It features extremists (mostly from the far-right), QAnon types, neo-Nazis, antivaxers - a nutbag stew.

Querdenken 711 appears to have kept under the radar for the most part since last August’s demonstrations/uprising, but the group is promoting a “summer of freedom” (or a “political spring”) that will kick off with a big demonstration August 1st.

Let the fun begin.

In Europe different kinds of crazies don’t find common cause like they do in the US. Fundamentalists have their own parties, anti-immigration and anti-gay bigots are spread over different movements.

In absolute numbers we don’t have less nutcases, it’s just that they are not organized under one flag.

The European have needed foreign minders since 1945 so they don’t start killing everyone else or each other.
So yeah, pretty damn psychotic.

The_Librarian is talking about a phenomenon that I’ve thought about for quite some time. Let’s say that 1% of a country’s population holds a weird or extremist POV. In a smaller country with a population of, say, 30 million, you’ll have about 300,000 weirdos. In a larger country with a population of over 300 million, you’ll obviously have about 3 million. There’s a huge difference between those groups in that the larger group will be able to sponsor, organize, demonstrate, etc., at a much larger scale. If a thousand people show up to demonstrate at the legislature in the smaller country, it’s not a big deal, but ten thousand people showing up for a demonstration in the larger country is fairly impressive. Yet the percentages of the people who actually hold the ideas and participate in the action are identical.

Extend this to participation in social media, sponsoring organizations and activities, and similar actions and you can see that a larger country might give an outside observer the idea that they are “weirder” overall than the smaller country.

Just saying.

Think about 30% of any given country.

Unfortunately, probably even higher.

As for media, there’s obviously a much more viable market for fake news in the larger country. Having a potential viewer base of 3M, as opposed to 300K, is a big deal…as we have seen.

News from the summer of love:

“Thousands turned out in Berlin on Sunday to protest the German government’s anti-coronavirus measures despite a ban on the gatherings, leading to clashes with police and the detention of some 600 protesters…”

“Berlin’s police department deployed more than 2,000 officers to try and disperse the protests, but it said officers who sought to redirect protesters or disband larger groups were “harassed and attacked.”

“They tried to break through the police cordon and pull out our colleagues," Berlin police said, adding that officers had to use irritants and batons."…

“More than 200,000 people turned out Saturday in France to protest vaccination requirements for the third straight weekend, at times clashing with police. Some 80,000 others protested in cities across Italy last weekend.”

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/crowds-defy-ban-protest-coronavirus-measures-berlin-79201999?cid=clicksource_4380645_7_heads_posts_headlines_hed

There is no shortage of fringe groups in the UK who will leap on any issue to promote their cause.

There are Covid Anti-Vaxxers who have demonstations from time to time. One of the leaders is Piers Corbyn, the brother of former leader of the Labour Party Jeremy Corbyn. He regularly gets arrested during protests.

However, the antidote to the anti-Vax tendency in the UK is the widespread support for the NHS which sometimes takes on the form of a weird secular religion. The faith in this institution trancends the brief careers of politicians and they spend most of their time proclaiming how much they support the Saints and Angels their white coats and uniforms that do such a heroic job in the NHS fighting the Covid virus. The faith that ordinary people have in the NHS has gone a long way to addressing peoples fears about vaccines such that the level of vaccine reluctance very limited compared to other countries.

Boris Johnsons Conservative party has managed to wrestle the Brexit issue from the Nigel Farage and the anti-EU UKIP party, which seems to have vanished. The costs of Brexit to the UK economy seems to have been eclipsed by the bigger effect of the Covid lockdowns.

The anti-immigration, xeno-phobes and general bigots seem to have their anti-foreigners sentiments addressed, again by the Conservatives. This time in the form of the Home Secretary, Pritti Patel who has set such an uncompromising stance on immigration that she sounds as if she would have few qualms about deporting her own parents. Such an elastic political institution seems to have taken the wind out of the sails of the psychotic fringe.

There has been nothing like the dramatic culture wars and deeply partisan politics that have spread across the US during the Trump years.

On the Continent, it is a different story. Few can beat the French for how much they despise their politicians and they regularly take to the streets to express their anger.

The ‘vaccine passport’ seems to be the big issue. This touches a lot of raw nerves. It is an inconvenience when travelling between countries, but if it is applied internally, that is a different matter. If you need to show it to your employers or in any public place, that kind of crosses a line for a very broad section of the population. The UK politicians are tip toeing around the issue and hoping it will go away. There are an awful lot of groups that don’t want to be on the recieving end of someones anger at been denied access to a public place. Least of all the police in the UK, who are very worried about having to enforce some ill concieved law.

On the Continent, where ID cards are common and you are obliged to carry them to show the police. Add vaccination status to that existing tension between the people and the authorities and there will be protests. We will see whether they grow big and loud enough to worry the politicians.

It is not so much people being psychotic, it is the politicians who fail to understand the limits of their authority. From time to time they need to be told.

The crazies will certainly be there, high as kites and keen to storm the barricades. But they may get support from the general public who object to a vaccine passport law, at the same time as accepting that there is a public health emergency. The French are have a tendency towards hypochonria at the best of times. Quite conflicted.

So there may be trouble ahead…

What is it with Germans who think online dating is for purposes of cannibalism?

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/german-teacher-trial-suspected-cannibalism-case-79375110?cid=clicksource_4380645_1_heads_hero_live_headlines_hed