How Spike Comes to Angel (spoilers!)

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Ain’t It Cool News has the skinny:

Here there be spoilers.

The report uses every weasel word it can to make sure we understand this could be wrong. it could just be some really clever fan fiction.

But if it’s right, and this is really how JossCo. plans to bring Spike over, then, to quote Giles, it’s bloody brilliant.

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Fiver, I wouldn’t get too excited yet. They don’t even start discussing ideas until June 20, writing won’t start until July I’d wager. Right now, evreybody is on vacation. Filming starts at the end of July. If this was actually something pitched, it was probably because Joss needed to give the WB an idea of what, exactly, they would do with Spike—but it wouldn’t be anything set in stone.

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Crap, my “exactly” comes across differently than I meant.

I think if Herc’s post has any basis in reality, it was a pitch Joss tossed at WB in effect saying “This is one way we coudl bring back kick-ass Spike! Ratings will skyrocket!”

I’m a bit skeptical because yesterday the boards were in an uproar over an interview that implied we would get Ghost!Spike on Angel.

I’m not buying anything until I see a script–which will be mid-July.

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Naaaah. Fan fiction. but they do need a new uber slayer though. Sure wish Fred was there in the Hellmouth.

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Like I said, pepperlandgirl Herc used every weasel word in the dictionary there. I’m not assuming it will definitely come to pass.

That said, I’ll be very surprised if at least some of those ideas aren’t used, in part or in whole, for however Joss does bring Spike to Angel.

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What am I doing wrong that I can see an article? I find the site but not the article. Help!

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Like I said, pepperlandgirl Herc used every weasel word in the dictionary there. I’m not assuming it will definitely come to pass.

That said, I’ll be very surprised if at least some of those ideas aren’t used, in part or in whole, for however Joss does bring Spike to Angel.

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Reading it. . .it reads like fanfic. Decent fanfic, admittedly, but fanfic nonetheless. Especially…

(Probably not a…)

The part about the Initiative. I don’t think that they’d bring THAT much “Buffy” continuity into “Angel.” It would blur the lines between the shows too much. Then again, I’m not too sure of what the character of Lilah consists of now, so…maybe it’s within the realm of possibility. But I doubt it.

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It reads way too much like fan fiction, and I’m surprised Herc fell for it.

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catnoe, it’s hidden spoiler text. Use your mouse and cursor to highlight it the way you would a spoiler box on this board, and hey, presto, there it is, all in blue.

Yeah, I read it, found out about it on BAPS, actually.

It’s a load of crap. Hell, I’m not even using a spoiler box, I’m so certain it isn’t genuine spoilage. OK as fanfic, but I think that the amulet-as life support thing reads like something a high-school kid would write because they hadn’t learned yet how to use a plot device or create genuine dramatic tension. (Not meant as an insult, just saying the writer needs time and experience to hone his/her talent. Outside of the amulet thing, it’s actually a pretty decent bit of writing). I think with Marti Noxon out of the ME picture, the writing for Spike will improve drastically. And the writing for AtS this past season was much better than for BtVS, so with the cream of ME’s writers all moving to one show, it should be one helluva season, no matter what Spike comes back as.

I just hope to Joss that they don’t bring Spike back as a ghost. He’s probably the only fictional character to star in more women’s sexual fantasies than Fox Mulder, and it would be really sad if he came back as a being who couldn’t…

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I think he should just show up one night, casually, and immediately begin raiding Angel’s fridge o’ blood.

“But you died!”

“Huh?” (as he’s slurping down yet another pint) “Oh, yeah. That. Yeah, long story, that.”

“Well…what happened?”

“It’s also a dull story, mate. What’s with all this O-neg generic crap? You have any AB positive in this dive?”

Oh, yeah. The above is from a top-secret script source. Sorry about violating the spoiler regs like that.

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Thanks Thea Logica. The ‘spoiler box’ aspect made sense after you explained it, I’m a little slow figuring things out sometimes.

I don’t buy it either. Drastic’s excerpt sounds better, more real. There being a physical object required to keep Spike breathing does sound lame. To much effort required to keep up with the object and making it too easy to kill Spike.

(Yay! I successfully used the spoiler box! My First!)

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I tell you why I think this is fake: they aren’t going to start off a season Angel by launching right into focusing all guns blazing on a big new character from another show. They are going to work Spike in more slowly than this, after giving us some time to get into the new swing of things. This is just a Spike fans’ wet dream about how to get Spike spike and more spike right away, and I think ME, especially Angel-land ME, is way too classy for something like this.

But… isn’t the thread TITLE sort of a spoiler?

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I don’t think so Apos, this was officially announced a month ago, and has been all over the Internet and the board. Including 2 other threads with the fact in the title.

Anywho, it came out tonight that the exerpt was from a script that someone sent to various sites, including AICN, as a spec script–the author is looking for a job at ME.

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Doesn’t make it any less of a spoiler. Plenty of people refuse to watch promos or listen to network announcements

Glad to hear that isn’t the real premerie, not that I really thought they’d have even started writing yet anyway.

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Can someone fill me in, Herc’s site keeps crashing me out.

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Thanks for the spoiler in the thread title.

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Once more, since it’s slipped…can someone cut and paste something key into a spoiler box? The page on Herc’s locks up my computer. Pretty please?

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Here you are, Stoid:

[spoiler]

  • The first characters we see are Buffy and Spike. It’s a flashback to Spike’s final moments over the Sunnydale hellmouth. Spike goes all bright and dusty, then:
  • The first new scene is set in Wolfram & Hart’s “White Room.” It’s somebody’s point of view. Somebody on his or her back. Winifred, Charles and Wesley are all peering down. None of the trio has ever seen this mystery-person before, but Wes seems to have a pretty good idea who it is. Angel arrives and eliminates any abmbiguity with a single-word: “Spike.” No more POV. Spike naked save a familiar-looking amulet, turns groggily toward Angel and mutters, “Oh … bloody hell.” He hear a violin and the title credits roll.
  • Actually, before the big reveal, the first thing we hear in the White Room POV shot is heavy breathing. But when we see Team Angel hovering, none of them seems to be breathing very hard.
  • When Angel offers Spike a cup of blood in the law firm’s examination room, Spike says he actually feels like a chocolate shake.
  • The second Spike learns Buffy survived the big doings in what used to be Sunnydale, he starts off to find his true love. But Angel won’t let him leave until he can figure out why Spike is still alive. “Oh reeaaly?” asks Spike. “And are we sure that’s the reason now?” Angel also wants the amulet back, since it’s technically Wolfram & Hart property. A big Spike-Angel fight ensues.
  • There is much shattering of law-firm glass. As the Spike-Angel fight grows more intense, Angel goes into vamp-face. Spike tries to do the same, but finds he can’t!
  • Angel manages to yank the Amulet away from Spike. Spike begins gasping and turning blue. “Angel, the amulet,” cries Wesley. “I think he needs it. He’s dying.” Angel hesitates, but Fred reminds Angel that Spike just finished saving the world.
  • Angel returns the amulet and Spike’s complexion immediately turns rosier. “His breathing is returning to normal,” advises Wes. “‘Breathing?’” asks Fred.
  • Angel rips a giant mirror from the wall. He can’t see himself in it, but Spike casts a reflection!
  • Lilah turns up with Spike’s blood test. The DNA matches what the Initiative took out of Hostile 17 four years ago, but the amulet seems to have “cleansed” the vampire right out of Spike. He’s all human now!
  • Wes remembers the Shanshu prophecy. “When that a souled vampire fulfills his destiny – whatever that may be – he becomes human.”
  • But if Spike’s human, why is so strong, and able to fight Angel so effectively? Wes remembers speaking to Willow by phone about the “joining spell” that turned all the potentials into slayers. “So when the cleansing began,” asks Lilah, “did you – I dunno – touch Buffy?” Spike answers in the affirmative, flashing back to the fiery hand-holding.
  • And then, at the end of this first act, Lilah and Wes come to the same conclusion – and reveal one last amazing thing about this new Spike:
  • He’s now the world’s first male vampire slayer. [/spoiler]

And Ethilrist: you’re kidding, right? That Spike will be on Angel next season has been reported from here to infinity and back by now. It’s not accurate to call it a “spoiler” in any meanful sense of the word.

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I hadn’t heard it yet.