And what more unbiased source could you ask for than the man’s own daughter?
:dubious:
The other difference being that Obama was a sane, qualified presidential candidate with a bunch of realistic ideas and plans. There was no reason then to believe he would be a bad president, and the last eight years have essentially born that out. Despite unprecedented opposition, Obama has been a pretty darn good president.
Oh, and by the way? Half of republicans weren’t convinced Obama was a US citizen. This is as recently as January of this year. A quarter of them were convinced he wasn’t - and the figurehead of that movement became the party’s nominee. You don’t get to minimize the abject insanity coming out of your side for the last 8 years. You don’t get to pretend that the republicans are the sane ones, and the democrats are the crazies for losing their shit over the fact that you guys elected an unqualified, corrupt reality TV star to the highest office in the land.
Yeah. Donald Trump is president-elect, and in some bizarre way his choices thus far have been even worse than advertised in the election. If you’re not scared, you’re not paying attention.
How could bias play into it? It was a simple statement of fact. Either she’s telling the truth or she’s lying, and given the MSM’s eagerness to do Trump in, I can’t imagine she’d tell such an easily refutable lie in front of a nationwide audience. (IIRC she said that at the Republican Convention.)
I was unemployed for nearly five years thanks to the last idiot Republican warmonger that occupied the White House crashing the economy. We don’t need paranoid fantasies to be terrified of a Trump presidency, we just have to look at what actually happened when Bush was president. And Bush is Benjamin fucking Disraeli next to Donald Trump.
And you think that was the president’s fault? Could you elaborate on that a bit?
But they have lost their shit, more fully and completely than when Bush won. You don’t get to pretend that hasn’t been happening for the last few weeks. It’s hysteria coming from the Democrats side right now.
:rolleyes:
Yep, ignorance is bliss. Unfortunately for you (and well, all Americans) the Democrats were correct about the disaster Bush the lesser was going to be. I would give them more credit than your unhistorical opinion.
This amazes me. It is representative of the mood and tone of this board and all of liberal America right now.
When Obama was elected, you didn’t see this kind of stuff. The conservatives didn’t riot in the streets, they didn’t try to coerce electors to change their votes, they didn’t run around in circles like Chicken Little, wringing their hands while they whimpered that the sky was falling. We sure as hell didn’t need safe spaces. All we did was point out that liberals elected a complete incompetent to the White House. Eight years later, with the power of 20-20 hindsight, we have been proven correct.
Guess what? We survived. We bitched and muttered and grumbled, but we carried on with our lives and made do the best we could.
Instead of worrying about how to be a liberal in a Trump world, you guys might try being adults in the real world. That would be better for everyone.
Correct?
Well, I guess a sorry point that Obama “was incompetent” in the end needs to add a wanting reason why is that America is in better shape now than when he took office to prop up that point.
Kettle: no more calling the pot black, alright?
and yet more tea-kettle/pottery gets you tolchok #2,737,248:
ok I’m getting bored parsing everything you’re trying to put past us. I probably didn’t get through to you again, but incremental progress is better than nothing, I spose.
yawn.
Do those cites for “riot in the streets” just suck or did I miss something? I don’t see any windows being smashed or objects being thrown. Where’s the riot?
What does your link have to do with coercing electors to change their votes?
Besides trying to go for the violent nuts on the left that do not represent all, (most protests against Trump have been peaceful BTW) you are also forgetting a lot of what took place when Obama won.
Gigo, i’m on my phone, so I can’t quote or format, but maybe you can clarify for me: is your post an admission that “conservatives didn’t riot in the streets”? Or do you think you’re offering evidence that they did?
You are not even wrong,
My point is that doing nutpickings is not really a good argument. Nevertheless, a lot of violence launched towards minorities and democrats can not be just denied, for if we do want to look at riots in the streets, shootings and killings at churches or other places by people that consume right wing or extreme right wing rhetoric then should be considered. If you want to follow that line of an argument, but I do think that we should not.
So, some elements of the right have also resorted to violence, but it is really ineffective as the few extremists on the left are doing. What it is important is to not forget that most of the powerful can sponsor propaganda and politicians that did minimize what that “uppity guy” was doing in the white house.
Fair enough - I’ll grant that the actions in Portland were more problemmatic than Obama effigies, (as well as this: Orcinus: When Obama Was Elected: An Outpouring of Hate in 2008 …read from half-way down)
Yeah? But that quote, though?
EDIT: WTF, why’d this get posted?
A Poster made a comment about coercing electors to change their votes.
In response, YOU posted a link talking about (alleged) voter suppression. WTF?
That’s because we elected an extremely thoughtful, intelligent, and rational human being and you elected a fucking impulsive irrational bigoted moron. It is a ridiculous comparison. Even a lot of Republican leaders have said this man is completely unqualified to be President. The alternative that has been suggested for the electoral college is Kasich…It is sure as hell not because we think Kasich is great or a closet liberal. He is clearly very conservative but he is at least not bat-shit borderline insane.
Get a fucking clue!!
Yes, I can appreciate all of the horrors you have had to endure over the past 8 years. I can imagine the pain you have experienced with each 1% drop in the unemployment rate, each 1000 point rise in the Dow, each uninsured person gaining health insurance, and each poll showing foreigners now having respect for our President and our nation. The trauma must have been very difficult.