While the voter suppression was most definitely not alleged, I figured I’d take it upon myself, then, to reverse things by looking for info to support the idea that there was coercion of, yes, electors, and came up with:
Yet the article doesn’t go on to provide any examples.
And perfectly legitimate for Micheal Baca to stump for a more moderate rep.
It’s not hysteria when it’s justified. The president of the united states is utterly unqualified for the job, shows no interest in learning, and is already starting diplomatic incidents, while showing no indication that he either understands the issues at hand or is interested in learning. His cabinet picks mirror his ability. “Hysteria”? If you’re not scared, you aren’t paying attention.
And once again, the comparison between Obama (a qualified, competent politician with a stable temperament and a clear understanding of the law, who ran on a campaign of unity and progress) and Trump (an unqualified, incompetent political neophyte with the temperament of a five-year-old and no understanding of the law, who ran on a campaign of hate and scapegoating) is utterly misguided. Trump is something new and very ugly in American politics. It’s entirely understandable that people are freaking out about this. Or, to put it another way: the critique lobbed at Trump by high-ranking people within his own party utterly outstrips the critique any other republican has gotten from any mainstream democrat. Because they understand full well how awful this is.
Obama has an approval rating above 50%. The general feeling around the country was that we would have been better off with a third term from him than either of the candidates who ran. He presided over 8 years of consistent growth, despite unprecedented obstruction from an opposition party that used everything available to them to push their agenda. And now, the country is undeniably in a better place, economically, than it was 8 years ago. We’ve made great strides on LGBT rights. We’re out of Iraq, and we haven’t embroiled ourselves in any more costly wars. Disaster relief efforts were prompt and appropriate. Millions of people who weren’t able to get health care before are now insured. To put it bluntly, the USA got better. Your hindsight is not “20-20” and may in fact need surgical correction, as at the moment is could be considered legally blind.
Get a fucking grip!!!
Just because I’m curious, cite?
Budget Player Cadet,
Your last post needed a fact check because some of it is just blatantly false:
False, at least by the way I’m accustomed to measuring it, quarterly.
False again:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/29/world/middleeast/obama-troops-iraq.html
He has also gotten us involved in wars / fighting in Syria, Libya, and Yemen during his administration. Since the fighting is still ongoing in Syria, I think it’s still to be determined if that amounts to a “costly” war or not.
Thanks
So, measuring that way, you are saying that 15 out of 16 quarters is not consistent? Take a look at this graph, and tell me how horrible the Obama economy is doing again. Your interpretation of BPC’s claim needs some work.
Wars get “costly” when we start committing large numbers of troops. Obama has not done that.
Flying some planes overhead and dropping bombs, sending in a few special forces here and there is a completely different thing than invading a country like we did with Iraq. Do you see the difference there, or is this some sort of false equivalence game you are playing?
I still don’t understand why you responded to a post about coercion of electors with a “cite” about voter suppression.
Voters and electors are not the same thing. Didn’t you know that?
Here’s a graph for you too. I’m not claiming that the economy is terrible. It’s generally puttering along moderately well. Mine was a specific criticism. I don’t think it can be accurately called “8 years of consistent growth”.
Again, you’re trying to expand my fairly specific criticism into some broader argument against Obama. The statement “We’re out of Iraq” is a simple easily-verified falsehood / inaccuracy. We don’t have as many men deployed there as we did during the Bush administration, but we’re not “out”. And it’s a whole lot more than “a few special forces here and there”.
ETA: k9bfriender, just curious, how much do you think the USA has spent on our Syrian intervention so far? This isn’t a trick question. I don’t know the answer yet either, I’m just curious what your guess would be.
IS this the war that Bush lied to get us into, that cost us 2 trillion dollars, and resulted in the deaths of a hundred thousand innocent civilians? That war?
Boy, that Bush sure was a great president. And Trump will be worse! Yaaay!
Out of those 8 years, you have 2 quarters, both in the first quarter of the year (which is historically the weakest quarter of the year), where there was not growth from one to the next, both of which were far more than made up by by the following quarter.
That’s pretty consistent.
Now, if he had said constant, then your nitpick may have some merit.
And you said “blatantly false”, when at worst you could say is “I have a specific nitpick with your claim.”
I have no idea what we have spent, especially when you contrast that with what we would have spent just keeping our military on it’s normal readiness standby. We are dropping bombs and doing missions there, but we also drop bombs and do missions in the States for practice. But, if we haven’t spent some numbers of billions, I would be surprised. I do know that we spent much more in iraq. I do know that we had much higher casualties in iraq.
Compared to the full scale invasion and occupation of Iraq, yeah, it is just some special forces here and there.
Sure, I dropped the ball with some weak links and then inexcusably stupidly mixed up voters with electors (and I don’t even have any hungover reason) (a weird one, today’s been).
Regardless, my self-correction offset part of that fumble.
bolding mine.
Yes, as I indicated the distinction there.
Yes, liberals should emulate the level of maturity Trump supporters have demonstrated. You’d never catch conservatives being vicious, violent and screaming…
I know I’d feel better if Trump’s policy plan wasn’t titled To Serve America.
That’s way too much for Elections. You’ll earn a warning for this one, jshore. Please don’t do it again.
No, don’t worry about the inevitable jerking-conservative, anti-personal rights, environment-be-damned, business-is-God swing that the country is about to take. Just relax and enjoy the fucking.
Give me a break.
I just love how the right-supporters’ only argument here is “You’re crazy, you’re overreacting, everything’s gonna be alright.” Followed by how civilized conseratives were after Obama got elected. Uh, yeah. Please tell me a few more whoppers.
Sorry, it doesn’t fly. Trump is a joke, and he and his Breitbart-induced cronies WILL turn this country into a joke at the very least…a caricature of its founding principles. How anyone can justify turning freedom of religion on its head to become controlling the behavior of others who don’t follow YOUR religion, or don’t follow it YOUR way, is absolutely beyond me. Oh, right, I forgot, freedom of religion means YOUR freedom of religion. Those other people don’t count. Or maybe they’re just 3/5 of a person?
Welcome to the hypocrisy, folks. It’s going to be a long four years. And enjoy a conservative Supreme Court for at least the next 20. And get out that Democratic vote in 2018 if it kills you.
While I think this little experiment ends badly for many, many people, I think it ends even worse for Mr. Trump. He’s in WAY over his head. The party, that he is now the leader of, absolutely hates him and would prefer his VP. He has obvious conflicts of interest. Russia likely has dirt on his campaign. He’s at war with his own intelligence community before he even takes office, in favor of a foreign dictatorship. There are so many ways for this to go wrong for him that it’s hard to see how it goes right.
Ever notice how, on his victory/thank you tour, he plants a sprig of parsley in each town?