How To Hit "Overdrawn" Status On Your Karmic Bank Account

Flash back about seven years or so – things were going pretty good for my wife and me. Both of our careers were going well, we were both making good money, the nest egg was building and things were pretty rosy on the financial front.

Couldn’t say the same for our buddy Gary, though. He had a couple of kids with his ex-wife that he was supporting, he’d gotten married a year before to a woman who came packaged with a little daughter, and the two of them had a baby of their own on the way. He was making halfway decent money, but I knew things were extremely tight for him and his family. On top of that, his car broke down and there was no way to get the money together for the prohibitively expensive repair job.

However, my wife and I were shopping around for a new car at the time. I was driving an '89 Oldsmobile 98, and while it was a fine car that ran well, it sucked down too much gas for my daily 100-mile round trip commute. We were going to use it as a trade-in, but we figured hell with it, we wouldn’t get that much for it, how about we just give it to Gary?

So, that’s what we did – signed it over to him, free and clear with a handshake and pat on the back. We knew it wasn’t going to change his life, but it’d get rid of a big looming problem. Besides, it always feels good when you can help out a friend.

My, how times have changed since then. We don’t see Gary and his family much anymore, but we still kept in touch (plus my father-in-law is his boss, so everyone keeps in contact that way). His first kids had grown up, so the child support payments were no more. His company was treating him better and better, and he’s making really good money now – life has really turned around for him and his family.

Unfortunately, the same can be said for us (at least from a financial standpoint). My wife lost her job, losing the house, blah blah blah long story short, things have taken a downhill turn. Still, we’ve always landed on our feet, and we’ll do so again. One of the things we’re looking to do is to sell my car. We own my wife’s car free and clear, but we have a monthly payment on mine that we simply don’t need. I telecommute now, so we could work things out as a one-car family. The only problem will be if/when my wife is able to find work again, then I’ll need something for picking up The Littlest Briston from day care. Something cheap, nothing fancy – I mean, I’ll be putting about 10 miles a week on it, so I wouldn’t need much. Which brings me to the meat of this rant…

Every now and then I’d drive by Gary’s place, see that Olds 98 sitting in front, and marvel at how well this car has lasted. Now and then we’d talk and he’d tell me how it still runs like a charm – hey, terrific, glad it’s worked out so well for you.

Cue yesterday, when my father-in-law tells me how Gary’s brother is giving Gary a van (yeah, I know – what is it with people giving this guy vehicles?). Gary knows we’re keeping an eye out for a good, cheap car, so do we want to buy the Oldsmobile?

Exfuckingwellscuse me? Do we want to buy the same car from Gary that we gave to him? No…no we do not. We gave it to him, and he is free to do as he pleases with it. But gaaa! How big a fricking set do you have to have to offer to sell someone something they gave to you? Dickweed…
Huh. That came out a whole like milder than I had expected. Milder than he deserves, too. Whatever…Gary, you’re pitted. And off our Christmas card list. That’ll learn ya.

How about if you offer to buy it back from him for the exact same price he got it for? Maybe he has actually forgotten that it was free. Or maybe he’s a dick. But I say you call him on it.

"Say Gary, how about if we pay you the exact same amount you paid us for the car 7 year ago? I recall that the price was… FREE! <slap Gary on the back>

You may come to the realization, one day, that none of your friends are worthy of you. Would you rather it was the other way around?

Is he this clueless in other parts of his life? Has your FiL pulled him aside and explained just how . . . feckless (nicest word I could think of) this makes him look?

I’m sorry things are rough for you. I really and truly hope they get better soon, and I hope Gary comes to understand what kindness and compassion are without having to go through the same tough times all over again.

Clueless, entitled bastard. Best of luck getting out of your hole, Hal.

The car is a real collector’s item now, so in all fairness he should be able to triple what he paid for it.

Hey, Gary? Wanna see a magic trick?
bangs Gary’s head on desk.

So I hear there’s an opening on your Christmas card list…

Does it come with a free car? Frogurt? Cursed or un-cursed?

Sounds like he was trying to fleece you. (Sorry, had to be said.)

Hope things have an upturn real quick.

Hal, I’d say don’t write off this possibility until you’ve talked to Gary. Right now, if I’ve interpreted the OP correctly, all you have is what your father-in-law said about what Gary said, or even maybe what your FIL said about what Gary’s brother said Gary said.

In which case there might be something garbled in translation anyway.

But if you’ve already talked to Gary, and after your asking him if he remembers what he paid you for the car in the first place (and refreshing his recollection if he doesn’t), he still wants you to pay him for the car you gave him for free, then yes, he’s a worthless asswipe, and fully deserves the Pitting.

Heh, seems to me that if we open the Yiddish dictionary to the word “chutzpah”, we may even get a portrait of ol’ Gary. :smiley:

If you do talk to Gary about it, you should just repeat the facts back to him in an increasingly incredulous tone and in gradually more animated fashion, with fingers pointed to accent the I gave you parts, and then eventually set him on fire.

Agreed that he genuinely might not remember where and how he got the car. If so, though, all that really serves to do is upgrade his status from “raging asshole” to “kind of a douche”.

My first car, an '87 Chevy Celebrity, was a free gift from people I barely knew and haven’t seen since, but fucked if I’ve ever forgotten what they did for me. Human memory is an inherently fallible thing, but there are certain things you go out of your way to make sure you don’t forget. These things include your anniversary, your mother’s birthday, and that time your friends gave you a free car.

… wow, man. I’m so sorry.

What a fucking asshole he is.

I wouldn’t take him off my Christmas card list. He just might run out of karma in time to get a really painful paper cut from it.

What he said. Maybe Gary even remembered, and was kind of joking about how he’d “sell” it back to you - intending to charge the same price he bought it for - but wasn’t obvious enough and/or your FIL screwed up in remembering what he’d been told.

Maybe I’m just hoping he’s not going to be a douche.

Gary is, apparently, a douchebag. Among my circle of friends, we all try to outdo each other in the help a brotha out department. I was out having dinner with my kids the other day. My friend Norm drove by the restaurant and recognized my car. He stopped, came in, and paid my check all without me seeing him.

The waitress was able to describe him pretty well, so I knew it was him. But he was getting me back for when I helped out his 21 year old son who had some tough times. When Norm’s son thanked me, I made out like it was $$ that came from his dad. What I didn’t realize was that he and his father had just had a “I never wanna see you again” type of argument. My actions led to their getting over that rough patch.

Perhaps he just put in a new transmission or had some other work done to enhance the value of the car.

You know, I don’t know any of these people, but I find it much easier to believe that your father-in-law misinterpreted, or screwed something up in translation, than that Gary (or pretty much anyone) would seriously offer to SELL you the car you GAVE them.

Have you actually talked to Gary?

lol

“Here, take this car. Free of charge, man.”
Few years later.
“What, you need a car? Sure, but you know, it’s a better car than it was when you gave it to me. Can you pay me back for that?”