How to motivate an unmoviated 13 year old boy

My son Alex is 13. He’s a good kid, active in sports, plays in the school band. His academic career has been generally okay, although it’s never been stellar. Usually his grades are lots of Bs, with a few As and a few Cs sprinkled in. But now he’s come home with a D in math. A low D.

The worst of it is that I asked him if there was anything he could do to raise his grade and he swore that there wasn’t. I later found out he had 8 days to do test corrections on a test he blew, and he didn’t take advantage of it. When I asked him about this, he admitted he knew he could have improved his score this way, but just didn’t feel like it.

His teachers post his grades on a website, and they update it almost every day, so I can easily keep track of how he is doing. I’m leaning toward grounding him until he gets his math grade up to at least a C. What do you think I should do? Any advice?

I was that kid when I was 13 and honestly, I’m still that kid, but now that I’m 24 I don’t have a choice but to do my work. I’m in college (I did four years in the military) and I hate it with an absolute passion. I have to force myself to do my homework. I think it’s a huge waste of time, but it needs to be done.

Maybe explain it to him that way? That it all that shenanigans in school really is a waste of time, but it needs to be done. Getting a good grade in that stupid math class is just a box that needs to be checked.

You can’t motivate him, he needs to find something himself that he wants to do. For me I need to get a good job so I can provide for my wife. When I was in the Air Force I needed to study so I don’t get stuck making omelette’s or I mess up and get my crew killed.

He may be a pilot, or he just may want to move out on his own. Let him see that the better he does on grades the sooner he’d be able to move out.

Or show him “Girls Gone Wild” and let him think all college is like that.

Tell him that girls like boys who get good grades and if he fails he will never get laid.

My SO has used money to motivate her 16yo kid for 3 or 4 years now. He gets $50 per A and $100 per distinction. I can’t say I’m thrilled about it but it seems to work to some degree - he now gets 2 or more As per term.

Won’t work. When you’re 13, “when you’re a grown up” is functionally equivalent to “centuries from now”. I’d go with a more immediate stick/carrot dynamic. It’s weaker ethically, but at least it works some of the time.
What worked for me (although my grades still took a nosedive around 16, and I’ve failed to find any motivation since) was: my grandmother would badger me and keep making me do my homework over and over and *over *again until I got it right. When no homework was to be found, she’d make some up. Oh, how fondly I remember those afternoons spent reciting irregular German verb lists, multiplication tables and history dates. And starting over from the top if I got even one wrong.

NOT.

Still, it scored me a few NES games. And it’s not like the old pig-headed witch would have taken no for an answer.

I sit with my kids to do their homework, and find them a worksheet online if they say they don’t have any. I would have no problem grounding them or denying them computer privileges if they weren’t doing their work. Can you ask his teacher what topics they are doing in maths, so that you can make sure he is studying the right things?

First, I’d have him screened for depression and learning disorders. It’s not uncommon for depression to hit just as the teenaged years do, and for learning disorders to be unrecognized and self-accommodated for in early years, and then begin to be a problem as higher level math is introduced. He may be struggling, and choose to be seen as “lazy” rather than “stupid” because it’s easier on the ego.

Next, I’d look at the school. Is it a new school? Is it a good school? A bad school can destroy a kid, and if that’s the problem, punishing him for it isn’t the answer, finding a better school (even if that’s homeschool) makes more sense.

If none of those are the problem, then (and I know already this is going to be unpopular advice), I’d let him fail if that’s what the school consequences are for his behavior. Better to fail in seventh grade than eighth, and better eighth than ninth, etc. The younger he is when he fails, the more surmountable that failure is (repeat a grade). If he isn’t allowed to fail until high school, you really risk him choosing to drop out when school isn’t compulsory.

People have this tendency to stop worrying about their problems if someone else will worry for them. If you show him that you’re emotionally involved with his grades, he knows you’re worrying about it, so he doesn’t have to. It’s your problem, not his.

Ultimately, his schoolwork is his responsibility. It might be hard, he might hate it, but it’s still his work and his choice. Your job as a parent is to provide a place, time and tools for doing his homework. His job is to do it. You may certainly say, “4-5:30 is homework time, not video game time. I’ll see you at 5:30 when homework time is done,” but if he wants to sit at the desk picking his nose for an hour and a half, that’s his call.

We tried riding our son at this stage, grounding him, taking away video games, finally literally sitting with him while he did his homework and checking it for him, and you know what he ended up doing? He’d do his homework, put it in his folder, put the folder in his bag and go to school…and then not turn in the homework. It was unbelievable. He’d still have missing assignments and low grades as a result, even though he’d done the homework. Most. Frustrating. Thing. Ever.

And, ultimately, what it taught him was that I thought he was an incompetent idiot who couldn’t think for himself. So that’s what he started acting like. I taught him that I loved his report card more than I loved him, and he honestly believed that.

Finally I told him something like, “I realized I’ve been stealing your homework from you. I’ve been treating it like it’s my job, and my worry, and that’s wrong. I’m sorry. It’s yours. I’m going to stop doing that. I’m now your coach. If you need my help, I’m here. If you ask, I’ll help. But I know that you can do it if you want to. I know you’re smart and capable of doing the work. Whether or not you do it is a matter between you and your teacher, and I’ll back her up with whatever the consequences are.”

Did it immediately improve his grades? Sort of. It took him two weeks to pull his F’s into better grades (in some cases, A’s!). The next year or so was good. Then there was another semester or so of him testing me, getting D’s and F’s and waiting for me to explode and punish him. I didn’t. I’d look over the report card, praise the A’s and B’s to high heaven, “huh” over the C’s, and ask him if he was happy with the D’s and F’s. When he’d say no, I’d ask him if he had a plan to deal with them. And that was it. When he finally realized that I was no longer “stealing” his work, no longer doing the worrying for him, he figured out that he’d better worry about it himself, and his grades quickly improved.

(Then he moved into a truly terrible high school and his grades nosedived for a couple of years until we could get him into a better one. I was always careful not to blame him for the grades he got while in a school which was truly hell. Now that he’s at a good school, he’s getting A’s and B’s again.)

When I was around that age (15, actually), I was failing spanish. Nothing seemed to motivate me, until I got an F and told my mother. She wasn’t upset or anything. She calmly looked at me and said something to the effect of ‘this isn’t messing up my life, it’s messing up yours, if you want to fail, go ahead’.

That really shook me up and I did better.

My son is 12. Every night, we go through his school binder and get him to get online to his eChalk class website and collect up all the homework. Then he is required to do his homework and we review them. He is also expected to create flash cards so we can quiz him on Spanish, Math, Social Studies (we called it History, but whatever), etc. I put him through his Spanish paces while we watched the World Series last night (muted). For known, weekly assignments - one is a current event write-up, the other is part of a longer-term project - we decide in advance what block of time he will use to complete them before they are due on Friday - typically the Saturday 6 days before since he has after-school activities on weekdays and then regular homework. We debrief most tests and when there is a question as to why he got something wrong, we require that he nicely ask the teacher about it and report back (which leads to regular increases, btw).

He watches probably 2 - 3 hours of TV a day, eats enough crap food to clog a drain and won’t shut up about the Simpsons, so please don’t think I am trying to portray him as a model child. The point is that we (primarily my wife, given our division of labor, but I am very much involved) actively engage and ensure his work is managed through.

ETA: learning how to learn requires practice. Learning how to manage your time requires practice. Expecting to scare or inspire kids to do something never works. Get them to realize that sometimes you just need to lay out a plan and grind it out. It’s the only way you can achieve any goal you set for yourself. Set the goal to do better in school and grind it out. That’s life.

My $.02

Jesus Fucking Christ. How about screening him for being a 13-year-old first? Why does every discussion everywhere on the Internet about a kid with typical kid problems draw the “OMG GET HIM TO A SHRINK AND PUT THAT FUCKER ON DRUUUUUUUUGS!” post within five seconds?

When I was 13 I decided I just wanted to be a bad kid for a little bit. I was always a stellar student, and active in sports and band. I thought “All these other kids get bad grades and are assholes. What’s that like?” So I tanked my social studies grades, got a detention and even got caught cheating on a test in reading class.

Then, I got over it.

I suspect that motivation like that from Meatros’ mom would have kicked me into gear faster, but I think I just figured it out myself eventually and got back on the right track.

Hear, hear…

I’m good with a combination of groundings for bad grades, lots of praise and recognition for good grades, and harping on them about completing assignments ans studying.

The praise for good grades, even trying, is the most effective, I think.

Remove privileges until he sees the error of his ways.

I think even a 13-year-old is going to have already figured out that that’s not how the world really works. :(:stuck_out_tongue:

I pretty much had the same experience as ZipperJJ. After years of doing the right thing, I got to wondering what it was like to do the wrong thing. I wanted to know what the power of being able to say “No, I won’t do that” felt like. It’s a pretty heady thing! For once I felt like I had ownership of my school life, and wasn’t just doing what was expected of me. School was actually my choice.

I failed a class, got it out of my system, and went on to get good grades in high school. I needed to feel some ownership of my academic career, and with all the pressure to succeed the only way I could get that ownership was to fail.

Point the first: who said anything about drugs? You.

Point the second: because those are relatively common and easily identifiable factors which can be addressed, and for which interventions that don’t address them are very unlikely to work.

I mean, really. Screening is free through school anyway. Takes about 2 hours of time. I’d feel like a total asshole if I was taking away privileges and punishing a kid because he was dyslexic, wouldn’t you? It’d be like grounding a kid with an undiagnosed broken leg because he didn’t win a footrace.

There is no way I want to be super involved in his homework, mapping it out and going over everything with him. I think that would drive me and him totally 'round the bend. I have 3 other children, and during homework time I’m helping his 1st grade brother the most because he can’t really read the instructions to his homework and a lot of what he brings home needs parental help. Or I’m signing permission slips, reading notes from the teachers, making dinner, etc.

I think the motivation has to come from him. He’s old enough to not need his mommy holding his hand while he figures out the square root of 324. I’m the opposite of a helicopter mom.

But I do think I can provide an incentive for him to do well. Here’s what the hubby and I have decided on. With a D he can’t go out with his friends until he’s raised it to a C. He knows that if he gets an F he gets kicked off the basketball team, so there is built-in motivation there.

He’s my first teenager, but with 3 more waiting in the wings, I’m sure I’ll have similar issues come up more in the future, so we aren’t just reacting to this situation, but also setting a policy for future children.

There’s a BIG difference between being a “helicopter mom” and holding your kid accountable. Fine, don’t do flash cards. But stopping your kid daily or weekly and stating “give me a full status of your homework assigments and progress” and ensuring they are meeting their goals? That’s simply good parenting, IMHO.

Best of luck.

Is this a grade on a test or for the first quarter or what? How are his grades in subjects other than math?

If his grades in all subjects have gone way down, the possibility that something is wrong at school should not be dismissed. If it’s just one subject, though, that is much less likely.

There is something that motivates him. It apparently isn’t good grades right now - and frankly, I don’t think most teens are motivated by good grades alone, only as a means to an end (getting into college or whatever). But there must be something. What is it? Can you tie whatever it is to behavior that could improve his math grade?

It’s also possible that he is struggling with math because of a problem with the teacher. Sometimes kids just don’t grok a particular teacher’s style; sometimes teachers just don’t connect with certain kids. And some teachers are just bad at what they do. Any of those things could leave a kid discouraged enough to feel it “wasn’t worth” submitting test corrections. It doesn’t excuse the behavior but may help to explain it - he’s 13, and 13-year-olds aren’t big on acting in their own long-term best interest.

I have a nearly identical situation. At the moment, I’m tracking his grades online, going through his backpack, checking his homework every day, etc. He is also “grounded” until report cards come out in few weeks. (We are defining “grounded” as “you can do anything except spend the night at your friend’s house”, but we’ll probably be tightening that up soon). I know I can’t keep up this level of maintenance long, but I don’t have the balls to try the let-‘em-fail method!