How to talk to my son about porn...

The issue is not whether it’s “attainable” or not. It’s more a question of how representative it is.

Take the issue of uber-skinny models. No-one argues that uber-skinny women don’t exist in real life. And no-one argues that all uber-skinny women have eating disorders. The issue is that basically all models are considerably skinnier than average, and that this incredible over-representation of skinny women in magazines and on TV gives an unrealistic view of the world.

Similarly, no-one is arguing that no women like facials and swallowing, or that no women like anal sex, or whatever. The issue, for someone attempting to explain this stuff to a young person looking at porn, is that the range and frequency of many sex acts represented in porn are completely unrepresentative of what a person is likely to find in real life.

Here’s a little quiz for you:

What percentage of women in porn take a guy’s ejaculation in the face and/or in the mouth? What percentage do you think do so in real life? Are these numbers in any way congruent?

Same question, for:
[ul]
[li]anal sex[/li][li]gangbangs (multiple men, one woman)[/li][li]double penetration[/li][li]2-3 women on 1 man[/li][li]ass to mouth[/li][li]sexual positions designed to show as much as possible to the camera, rather than for pleasure/comfort[/ul][/li]Also, leaving aside the sex acts themselves, your dismissal of the acting/plot stuff precisely misses the point, because porn generally shows scenarios that are, for the most part, completely unrealistic in terms of how sex partners get together in the first place.

It portrays every woman as immediately available and willing to do whatever the guy wants, in pretty much any circumstance. It gives the impression that women like nothing better then being called (and referring to themselves as) sluts, whores, tramps, etc., and being told what to do, with no consideration of their own pleasure. It gives the impression that every woman is screaming with ecstasy the moment a penis enters her, and that women need nothing except some quick thrusting to achieve orgasm every time.

I’m not arguing that there’s anything wrong with porn, as such. I don’t give a damn if people look at it, and have no desire for it to be censored or banned. As i said above, i’ve looked at my share, starting back when i was about 10 years old myself. Similarly, if you’re in a relationship where your partner likes to do any and all of the stuff that’s portrayed in porn, that’s great too. If it’s between two (or more) consenting adults, i think anything goes.

But while some of the stuff in porn might reflect what some people do some of the time, that doesn’t mean that porn isn’t unrealistic.

My girlfriend tells me that she once had to explain about the difference between real-life positions and porn video positions to her ex-husband, during one of his extremely rare forays into actual intercourse.

Anecdotally, it’s not so much that there aren’t women who don’t like this – it’s that they don’t like it on the first date or first hook up (especially not when it’s expected).

Check out some of the comments on an Adbusters article here (some selections below).

Okay, so a pre-teen doesn’t need to know any of this. But it might be worth discussing with a teenager.

When I was 11 or 12 or so, a friends parents (for some reason) left him alone for an evening. I and many others were invited over. When I showed up, there was MJ joint smoking going on, movies in the VCR that were stolen from a local store (not porn but rated R - mostly action movies). Beer was present.

…and a stack of Playboys.

I looked at a Playboy for a few minutes, made some excuse and left.

The shit really hit the fan the next day. I was in severe trouble with my parents (who never believed anything I said). As part of my punishment, I had to meet the mom of my friend (along with the others).

She singled me out as the most evil, deviant offender in front of us all because …

I HAD LOOKED AT BOOBIES!

Yup…joint smokers…beer drinkers…THIEVES…that wasn’t so bad. BUT LOOKING AT BOOBIES! MY God…I should be euthanized (yes…she used that word)

She ranted for at least 5 minutes about what a worthless piece of shit I was and that I was going to grow up to be a perv.

This was one of my introductions to adults<>know what they are talking about. It is weird the extreme reaction to sex that many Americans have…

Wait, you LEFT and you got in trouble? Sounds like both your parents and your friend’s mom had some issues.

Stealing is one thing, but PORN?!?!?! :rolleyes:

MY mom was of the opinion that kids always lie. If I was accused of something by an adult, then no matter what I said I would not be believed. Now to be fair…many times she was right :smiley: but I would never do this to my kids because when she was wrong it hurt…and it taught me the lesson that authority was stupid and that the opinions of adults/adult values had little value.

What happened was that the friend was busted…spilled his guts…she contacted parents of everyone he said was there and they weren’t interested in details.

To the OP…I would suggest saying that looking at boobies is not evil. It is natural. However, it is not appropriate to do this in society/it is rude.

I should point out that my wife caught my son looking at porn (he was 15) and I had to have the talk with him.

I basically said that he really didn’t do anything wrong, IMO. However, many people will think he did (including his mom). If he was going to do it he needed to do it discreetly.

I also went over the difference between healthy natural curiosity and unhealthy addiction and to be watchful for that.

Not the talk his mom was expecting me to give him, I’m sure…but he’s 24 now and he is fine :slight_smile:

Hell, it was only when I was nine that I learned that sex wasn’t just kissing when you were naked.

Just make sure he knows it’s no substitute for the real thing. And bake him an apple pie.

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Yo - I don’t think that enjoyment or otherwise of facials has got too much to do with “open mindedness”. To imply that the only reason people don’t enjoy facials is because they are too repressed is one of the bad side-effects of porn.

I find it far more satisfying to finish buried deep inside that to spit all over her face - that does nothing for me. That doesn’t mean I am not open-minded.

If someone doesn’t enjoy cavier does that mean they are a hill-billy? Its simply not to some people’s taste.

Indeed. Sorry for going OT, but YES. Mainstream porn isn’t nessarily about lovemaking…but rather sexee “shock value” stereotypical patriarchal view of sex. I realize they are trying to draw in the biggest audience possible, but how about realistic depictions of lovemaking?
I mean when you have girl-girl porn that is incredibly unrealistic about what two girls do together…
and C3 if we had more parents like you, we’d have a much less complicated world.

Ever heard of amateur porn, people? It’s a huge percentage of the total online porn - probably larger than the percentage of slick, high-budget studio porn with “stars” - and the girls are as real as all the girls at any college in America.

I would bet that most teenage and pre-teen boys who are “looking at” porn are seeing just as many completely “real” amateur girls as they are the fake ones with boob jobs. Porn in general is going in more of amateur direction anyway.

If anything, I would worry about a boy’s self esteem being hurt by all the MEN in heterosexual porn and their gigantic wangs. Just tell him that 99% of women don’t care if he’s got a 10" schlong or a 5" schlong, as long as he’s got a functioning schlong and he’s a nice guy who has confidence and makes women feel like they’re special. And if he already has a 10" schlong, well, make sure he doesn’t whip it out to show it off on a regular basis.

Yes, there is plenty of amateur porn on the web.

The question, though, for the purposes of this thread, is whether that’s the sort of porn you’re most likely to find if you plug “porn” or “fucking” or “tits” or “nude chicks” or whatever else adolescent boys are likely to type into Google in their search for smut.

While there might be a lot of amateur porn in the web, the fact is that the big companies are big precisely because they have big websites, and they pay professionals who use search engine optimization, advertising, and other techniques to get their sites to the top of the page rankings. How likely is it, do you think, that our hypothetical adolescent will type “realistic amateur girls” into Google in his search for porn?

Also, if you’d bothered to actually read the critiques, you’d know that most people in this thread have been focused not on how “real” the women are, or whether they have fake breasts, but on how realistic the sex depicted in pornography is. There are plenty of porn stars who look like “the girls at any college in America,” and who still engage in acts for the camera that are far from typical, and that are likely to give an impressionable young guy the wrong idea about what sex is generally like.

As i said earlier in the thread, i don’t have any problem with the porn itself, nor with the acts portrayed in it. But i’m also not stupid enough to believe that every woman i meet wants me to call her a slut and blow my load in her face. Also, referring back to Rigamarole’s claims, i don’t believe that a woman who dislikes having cum on her face is somehow less “open-minded” than other women. That is, as bengangmo correctly observes, a conceit that is largely a product of the porn industry itself.