It was never actualy proven that Teddy was drunk (I don’t even think it was really proven that he was driving), but even if he was, there but for the grace of Zeus goes probably 3/4 of the people in this thread. The Chappaquiddick thing is not the reason righties hate Ted Kennedy. it’s just ammunition to demonize a liberal. If they reallycared about drunk driving, they wouldn’t have voted twice for W. We know he was driving around all coked up and drunk for much of his adult life, and I’m sure that on at least some of those occasions he had bimbos in the car, just like Teddy. It’s only pure luck that W didn’t drive into a reservoir or something and drown somebody (not that I’m 100% postive we’d know about it if he did).
Hell, laura Bush actually DID kill somebody with her car by her own negligence – an ex-boyfriend, as it happens – and nobody’s hanging an “EVIL” flag on her.
The bottom line is, Teddy was one of the best lawmakers this country has ever had. If he was ever wrong on a single policy, I don’t know what it is, and even those who lack sufficient understanding to realize he was always right should try to think for themselves a little bit instead of just parakeeting right wing radio boilerplate that Teddy K is eeeeeevillll.
As has been been pointed out to you, he pleaded guilty to driving the car. What you seem to want to ignore is that he didn’t report this until the next day and tried to get his friends to lie for him. There was no remorse in his actions at all. You repeatedly insist that nothing was actually proven when he’s admitted to the accident.
He left a party that was stocked with gallons of hard liquor for 10 people. That’s gallons with a “G”. He was pounding down drinks earlier in the day and he admitted drinking at the party. His refusal to report the accident until the next day is a virtual admission of guilt. He wasn’t just drinking, he was drunk.
But let’s go to Ted’s finest hour. He walked past a number of houses near the accident, all the way back to the party where he kept the knowledge of the accident from a trained fireman and sought out his lawyer friends. Mary Jo was found in an air pocket holding the seat. She was conscious when she died of asphyxiation. She could have been saved if help had been summoned. Ted never summoned help. He let her die. I don’t care if he’s the greatest Senator that ever lived. His career is irrelevant. He’s a despicable human being and I hope he lives to be 150 so the memory haunts him.
“Yeah, screw the ah, plahnet, just ah, don’t spoil my view from Hyannisport with those, er, windmills! Hic!”
He also supported the recent farm bill which is an absolute travesty of waste and pork and “welfare for the rich”. Not to mention every other hare brained socialist piece of crap legislation that ever came out of the craven left.
Neosocialists are so cute. I am sure his farts smell like roses too, or at least you must think so.
3/4 of the people in this thread have driven off a bridge drunk in Massachusetts, drowned a passenger, and then not called for help? Damn. What kind of people subscribe to the Dope? (And why hasn’t Nancy Grace done a show on this? Were all the victims unattractive?)
Transfer of funds from soaking the rich, a fave Kennedy pastime, to the poah farmers is damn well Socialism, if not out and out Marxism.
Never mind that most of the poah farmers are now rich corporations. I seem to recall Teddy railing against “welfare for corporations” in the past. I guess he is just what he seems to be anyone with a brain: a power hungry hypocrite, nothing more than a base liar. And in my NSHO, a deliberate murderer.
JFK is rolling in his grave. He was a supply sider though…
No, sir, that is not socialism. Teddy Kennedy is no more a socialist than FDR was a socialist. (You do understand, don’t you, that FDR was not a socialist?)
Technically you are correct. Socialism is a system for organizing the economy under government control. Transfer payments are not a system for organizing the economy, they are a means of distorting the price signals in a capitalist economy. They are, however, based on the Philosopy of Marxism.
So you would argue that the programs of the New Deal weren’t socialist in nature? Or that they didn’t permanently and seemingly irrevocably turn the United States into a semi-socialist state? For a guy who wasn’t a socialist, he sure accomplished a lot of the goals of socialism. Perhaps he was a “useful idiot”.
Why do liberals have a problem when we conservatives call socialism on all the lefty boondoggles? It is what it all amounts to. Why do they always want to relabel it somehow? It is like they are ashamed of their product’s reputation! I lump this into the same stupid basket as “Real Marxism has never been tried!”, and “The government program’s failure was due to underfunding!”
Anecdote:
I was riding with one of my girlfriends and we spotted a DARE donation box. She exclaimed “There’s a DARE box!” like it was a good thing.
I asked if she was aware that the DARE program had been shown in many different studies to do nothing to improve teen sobriety in in a number of very well known studies the program had been shown to INCREASE substance abuse among teens. I stated that we would all be better off if the program was shut down and the money better spent.
Her reply? Are you sitting down? “Well, at least they are trying!”
She is a dyed in the wool NYC union schoolteacher Democrat, and typical of their ilk.
I nave been working on her for a while, though, and I am proud to say she is voting for McCain!
:rolleyes: If only! Look around you, it’s still corporate CEOs calling the shots around here, regardless of which party controls Congress or the WH.
No, FDR was the man who saved capitalism in America, by adopting just enough of the Socialist Party’s platform planks to address certain problems without threatening the basic structure of the social and economic order. (The SP kind of ran out of steam after that; few people are aware it still exists.) Just as Bismarck forestalled socialism in Germany by enacting welfare-state programs.
Yeah, absolute statements really cut the mustard around here. Are you a newbie?
I was demonstrating the fatal mindset of socialists, I.E. that good intentions are enough.
And on checking your post count, I guess you aren’t a newbie.
Geez, BrainGlutton! You have been around here just twice as long as I, and have racked up like 30x as many posts. I spend a fair amount of time here and couldn’t imagine spending 15x as much. Are you a shut-in? No offense, just asking.
I seem to reacll that TK made a statement after the accident, and made some extraordinary claims:
-he said that he left the car, after repeatedlt diving down to try to rescue mary Jo
-after this didn’t work, he walked to the gap, and swam across to Edgartown
-he tried to summon help in Edgartown, failing that, he swam back to Chappaquiddick
-he again tried to rescue mary Jo
Question: why didn’t he immediately call the police? And, assuming that the death of MJK was ruled an accident, why wasn’t a full autopsy conducted (standard procedure in accidents)?
And this bothers me too. The car was in shallow water. The coroner’s report indicated that MJ had an air pocket and had a lot of chance to survive. I know damn well that if it were me, drunk or no, I would have rescued the woman. This and the locked doors. Who drives around chappy (a sparsely populated little place with nothing to fear but the peaceful type of folk who populate MV) with doors locked? Heck, back then in the 60’s (no key fob locking etc.) most people never locked their doors in the city, much less an isolated rural area populated by rich people.
“AH, em, er, Mary Joe, better lock your em, door, and dont, ah forget to buckle up for safety!”
It all stinks on ice. When Dad took us on the tour, I was dumbfounded that anyone could possibly buy into the official story. At age 11.
