How Would You Have Voted In the Past Redux

OK, I’ll take a shot at this. It’s more fun than work.

My Ground Rules—my decisions will be made based only on what was known at the time of each election. In some cases, which I’ll note, I would have voted one way and had buyer’s remorse afterward. Also my choices will be restricted to candidates who carried at least one state, so splinter abolitionist and libertarian parties are out.

My Ideology—I believe the function of government is to protect the life, liberty, and property of its inhabitants. In almost all cases this will mean I support the candidate advocating lower taxes and a smaller and less intrusive federal government. If you disagree with this ideology, then you’ll disagree with most of my choices.

However, because of the complication of slavery and Jim Crow, we had a federal government for much of American history which abdicated its core responsibility of protection, and in certain cases needed to be more expensive and intrusive. These cases will be noted as appropriate. Note that before 1844 slavery played little role in presidential politics, nor did civil rights between roughly 1880 and 1960, so these issues play little or no role in my choices for those years.

I favor a foreign policy of non-intervention except where America is attacked or under clear and present danger of an unprovoked attack. This sometimes makes choices difficult because often candidates who hold the line on domestic spending never met a war they didn’t like. And vice versa.

1796-Jefferson over Adams
1800-Jefferson over Adams, once more with feeling, after Adams disgraced himself with the Alien & Sedition Acts
1804-Jefferson over King; subsequent buyer’s remorse after the insane Embargo of 1807
1808-Madison over Pinckney
1812-Clinton over Madison; the only thing worse than starting an unnecessary war is starting an unnecessary war after a criminal lack of preparation
1816-Monroe over King
1820-no contest
1824-Adams over Jackson; Adams favored a modestly more intrusive government, but Jackson loses on authoritarian personality and disgraceful advocacy of Indian removal. Also, Jackson was an economic illiterate.
1828-Adams over Jackson
1832-Clay over Jackson
1836-Harrison over Van Buren
1840-Harrison over Van Buren; tough call in a content-free campaign
1844-Clay over Polk and avoid the Mexican War
1848-Cass over Taylor; non-buyer’s surprise after Taylor turned out to be anti-slavery, but then died and was succeeded by doughface Fillmore
1852-Scott over Pierce; no more doughfaces!
1856-Fremont over Buchanan and Fillmore
1860-Lincoln over Douglas, Breckinridge, and Bell
1864-Lincoln over McClellan
1868-Grant over Seymour
1872-Grant over Greeley; definite buyer’s remorse as Grant abandoned Reconstruction during his second term and imploded in scandal
1876-Hayes over Tilden; more buyer’s remorse as Hayes abandoned what was left of Reconstruction
1880-Garfield over Hancock; Garfield actually might have been a good president
1884-Cleveland over Blaine; with Reconstruction over, Cleveland gets the nod as a tiger on spending
1888-Cleveland over Harrison
1892-Cleveland over Harrison
1896-McKinley over Bryan
1900-McKinley over Bryan
1904-Parker over Roosevelt
1908-Taft over Bryan
1912-Taft over Roosevelt and Wilson; boy would I have been pissed on Election Night as Taft got crushed by two of my least favorite presidents
1916-Hughes over Wilson
1920-Harding over Cox
1924-Coolidge over Davis and LaFollette
1928-Smith over Hoover; Smith was arguably more of an economic conservative than Hoover, and at least he was a wet
1932-Roosevelt over Hoover; Hoover ruled himself out by signing tax increases and the Smoot-Hawley tariff in the middle of a Depression and trampled civil liberty by stomping the bonus marchers. Roosevelt, believe it or not, campaigned as a conservative.
1936-Landon over Roosevelt
1940-Willkie over Roosevelt
1944-Dewey over Roosevelt
1948-Dewey over Truman
1952-Eisenhower over Stevenson
1956-Eisenhower over Stevenson
1960-Kennedy over Nixon; Kennedy’s deification by liberals occurred after his death; in life he was very much a centrist and campaigned on tax cuts, and well Nixon was Nixon.
1964-Goldwater over Johnson
1968-Nixon over Humphrey in a nose-holder
1972-McGovern over Nixon; McGovern was an ultra-liberal and anathema to everything I believe, but Nixon had grown domestic spending faster than any Democrat, signed wage and price controls (gag), and treated civil liberties like a dishrag. At least McGovern was honest, and Congress might have restrained his worst spending impulses.
1976-Ford over Carter
1980-Reagan over Carter
1984-Reagan over Mondale
1988-Bush over Dukakis
1992-Bush over Clinton
1996-Dole over Clinton
2000-Bush over Gore
2004-Bush over Kerry but a much tougher call after Bush grew spending, expanded entitlements, and started a hugely expensive and unnecessary war
2008-McCain over Obama

Hey Curtis-what is the topic of this thread again?

So what? I was asking YOU why you opposed Irish Home Rule.

Threads with discernable topics are for cowards & Welshmen.

For exactly that reason. Ulster did not want Irish Home Rule.

Threads with discernable topics are for cowards & Welshmen.
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How would you have voted in historical elections?

There have been thousands of historical elections-how about narrowing it down some?
Or is the only way to keep you involved in your own threads is to change the topic every ten posts or so?

There have been thousands of historical election-how about narrowing it down some?
Or is the only way to keep you involved in your own threads is to change the topic every ten posts or so?
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Any historical election you will like posting on. Which is why I posted it in IMHO first.

How much would the Civil Rights Act of 1964 have influenced your vote? Goldwater voted against it in the Senate, Johnson signed it into law, and it became a campaign issue. Goldwater wasn’t racist from what I can see (he supported earlier Civil Rights legislation) and he opposed it on what seems to be honest states’ rights grounds, but… that was the bill that ended segregated public facilities. That was the bill that outlawed making hiring decisions based on race or national origin, unless there’s a damn good reason. That was the bill that allowed civil rights cases to be heard in Federal courts instead of corrupt state courts.

Opposing a good bill for good reasons still means opposing a good bill.

France this time.

1791: Girondins
1792: Girondins
1795: Republicans
1798: Directory
1815: Republicans
1816: Republicans and Bonapartists
1820: Liberal left
1824: Liberals
1827: Left
1830: Left
1831: Liberals
1834: Conservatives
1837: Conservatives
1839: Republicans
1842: Opposition
1846: Opposition
1848: Moderate republicans
1849: Moderate republicans
1852: Republicans
1857: Republicans
1863: Republicans
1869: Republicans
1871 (Feb): Moderate Republicans
1871 (Jul): Moderate Republicans
1876: Centre-right
1877: Republican Union
1881: Republican Union
1885: Opportunist Republicans
1889: Republicans
1893: Moderate Republicans
1898: Progressive Republicans
1902: Progressive Republicans
1906: Republicans of the Left
1910: Republicans of the Left
1914: French Section of the Worker’s International (To prevent World War I)
1919: Bloc National
1924: Republicans of the Left
1928: Republicans of the Left
1932: Republicans of the Left
1936: Democratic Alliance
1945: Popular Republican Movement
1946 (June): Moderates
1946 (November): Republican Party of Liberty
1951: Rally of the French People
1956: National Center of Social Republicans
1958: Union for the New Republic
1962: Union for the New Republic-Democratic Union of Labour
1967: Union of Democrats for the Fifth Republic
1968: Union for the Defence of the Republic
1973: Union of Republicans for Progress
1978: Socialist Party (Protest/revenge vote for legalizing abortion)
1981: Rally for the Republic
1986: Rally for the Republic/Union for French Democracy
1988: Rally for the Republic
1993: Rally for the Republic
1997: Rally for the Republic
2002: Union for a Popular Movement
2007: Union for a Popular Movement

Presidential Elections:

1852: Louis-Eugene Cavaignac (Independent)
1965: Charles de Gaulle (UNR)
1969: Georges Pompidou (UDR)
1974: First Round: Jacques Chaban –Delmas (UDR), Second Round: Valery Giscard d’Estaing (Independent Republicans)
1981: First Round: Jacques Chirac (RPR) Second Round: Valery Giscard d’Estaing (UDF)
1988: Jacques Chirac (RPR)
1995: Jacques Chirac (RPR)
2002: Jacques Chirac (RPR)
2007: Nicolas Sarkozy (UMP)
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Curtis LeMay, I know you posted this in IMHO and not GD. But if you’re not going to explain the reasons for your choices (you posted none in the French and German elections), this is pointless. That kind of thing is better on a blog than a message board.

Please let us handle this.

Well in general I supported the moderate liberals until the mid 20th Century or so and then the conservative candidates with some exceptions which I noted.

1911: Liberal Coalition Party
1914 (March): General Electoral Union
1914 (September): General Electoral Union
1917: Liberal Coalition Party
1920: Liberal Coalition Party
1921: General Electoral League
1924: General Electoral League
1928: General Electoral League
1932: General Electoral League (Right-wing Party)
1936: Rightist Party
1940: Rightist Party
1944: Rightist Party
1948: Rightist Party
1952: Rightist Party
1956: Rightist Party
1958: Rightist Party
1960: Rightist Party
1964: Rightist Party
1968: Rightist Party
1970: Moderate Party
1973: Moderate Party
1976: Moderate Party
1979: Moderate Party
1982: Moderate Party
1985: Moderate Party
1988: Moderate Party
1991: New Democracy
1994: New Democracy
1998: Moderate Party
2002: Swedish Democrats
2006: Swedish Democrats
2010: Swedish Democrats

Again even the most right-wing party in Sweden is pretty moderate by American standards.

What country is next? Canada? Mexico? Italy? Grand Fenwick? Florin?

I wait with bated breath.

He-who-was-once-Curtis:

Why have you changed your user name to that of a Chinese emperor best known for burning books and burying alchemists?

We already have a Doper who pretends to be evil. Don’t travel down his ridiculous path.

I vote Soviet Union.

Or, possibly, Classical Greece.

Why on earth do you write 19 as “XIX” in this case? And can you even combine “th” with roman numerals?

Only one?

The others aren’t pretending

Pierian spring, man!

We must consider that he was progressive for his time and he overall reduced longterm suffering by ending the civil wars that plagued China and bringing in a unified empire.

So Lancaster or York- who would you have fought for in the Wars of the Roses?