I’d like to give you the benefit of a doubt, but you need to substantiate your claims if you want to persuade anyone. Or maybe offer a definition to how you use “Anti-American” and “Pro-Terrorist.”
If you want to have that discussion, start a thread in Great Debates and post a link.
Same here. Until he got to act III, I actually believed I would get to read a post by rjung that wasn’t about bashing Bush. Fat chance.
If we furriners didn’t puke over Bill Pullman’s speech in Independence Day*, I doubt we’d have a problem with a Captain America movie.
[sub]*Actually, we did puke over that one, but we went to see it anyway.[/sub]
Rule one:
Good idea. I hate hijacking threads too.
Let’s define “Anti-American.”
Let’s define “Pro-Terrorist / Pro-Enemy.”
Speaking for myself, I’d want it to include elements of The Truth.
Call me silly for thinking that Cap wouldn’t endorse an unprovoked invasion over false claims of WMDs, then.
Umm…perhaps what’s silly is not only assuming you know what some other person would think but assuming you know how a fictional character written by dozens of authors with sometimes contradictory philosophies would think.
Can I call you silly for shoehorning your political views into a Cafe Society thread or wanting to turn a movie based on a comic book into a political screed?
Personally, I think the fish out of water approach with a defrosted Cap would make a good movie. It’d certainly make a good launching point for the audience to understand the character better.
Before the credits, I’d go with an movie reel style News From the Front showing Captain America in his first action vs. the nazis. Opening credits could run over a montage of newspaper headlines with the final page being “Cap Lost!!” or something to that effect. Fade into a Caps eye view of his last few prefrozen moments: the plane, Bucky, the explosion, and hitting the water.
Next scene I’d go with Cap waking up in the government hospital/lab and doing a little kick ass on the guards similar to when he was revived by the Avengers. He escapes and manages to run out of the building to face our modern life. He’s briefly stunned by what he sees and this allows a government agent (Sharon Carter) to catch up and take him back inside for all of the frosty details of how he came to be where he is.
Not sure where to go from there. I think a little fish out of water is justified but it shouldn’t be overdone. I think a nazi style terrorist group headed by Red Skull or Zemo would make for a good villain to the piece. I’d make the super soldier program the main point with the big bad either powered by or trying to recreate it. This would allow for the inclusion of Isaiah Bradley to give more detail on the super soldier program itself.
LOVE the idea of beginning the movie with a “March of Time” newsreel setup. Brilliant!!! What a way to do an origin story and exposition!
No, Rik, that’s not silly at all. That’s… kinda the point of the entire thread.
Actually no, it’s not at all. The point of the thread was how to write a Captain America movie, not how Captain America would view the war in Iraq.
Camouflaging a pet political screed in the guise of a Cafe Society contribution ain’t gonna keep on happening, rjung. Your post was little more than your usual shot at Bush and company, and it gets tiresome. Save it for the appropriate threads in the Pit or Great Debates, but leave it out of Cafe Society. This is for the forum for the discussion of the arts, not for advancing your political views.
Let’s get the discussion back on course as described in the OP. Leave politics out of this.
…which necessarily involves “assuming you know how a fictional character written by dozens of authors with sometimes contradictory philosophies would think.” If rjung thinks that a Captain America movie should be about the war in Iraq, then he needs to figure out how Captain America would feel about the war in Iraq. If the movie’s going to be set in WWII, you need to figure out how Captain America feels about Nazis. If it’s going to be set during the English Civil War, you need to figure out how Captain America feels about Roundheads.
Bravo. You make me want to see a Cap movie.
The only problem I’ve always had with the Super Soldier program is how or why we can’t duplicate 1940’s technology today. I know the formula was lost, but it seems like someone would’ve reverse-engineered it by now.
Thus, the only thing I would change in your approach is that I would downplay the super soldier program.
Also, his costume would be a problem. I wouldn’t want to create an entirely new one, because that wouldn’t really be Cap, but his would need some work to feel right on screen. I think it would at least need darker colors and either make the headpiece functional or remove it.
Actually, I would make the reverse engineering part of the plot. Either using the research from the Isaiah Bradley experiments or stolen top secret information about Steve Rogers. Using the super soldier project as the major plot point provides a solid anchor to the comic book and an apolitical story line.
Call Joel Schumaker. Let’s do Cap-nipples.
You don’t have to figure out how Cap would feel about WWII, because that has been made clear as part of his written character hundreds of times. You don’t “figure out” how Cap would feel about the war in Iraq or whatever issue to write a movie. You decide how you WANT him to feel, then you go about justifying that using what has been written about him by various authors.
I like the take on the costume that they’ve done in the Ultimates: make it a functional piece of military body armor/fatigues that just happens to be red white and blue.
Word. The Ultimates costume is a sublime balance between the classic design and contemporary functionality.
The distinction between the two escapes me.