Howard Schultz considers run; urged against.

He’s not running. It’s a tour for his stupid book, released two days ago. He’s not Kamala Harris, releasing books and running for President. He’s not even Mike Huckabee. He’s not even Herman Cain. This is a stunt to sell books, and he will drop out in a few weeks.

I agree. Political campaigning is really really expensive and if he’s going to campaign as a third-party candidate he’d do a better job keeping himself warm by literally burning the cash instead. Being rich does not guarantee one’s success (although it is certainly better to have money and not need it than to need it and not have it) and Schultz doesn’t have that shock factor that worked so well for Trump. It’s like:

Trump: I’m an asshole!
Voters: But you’re OUR asshole!

Schultz: I’m a middle of the road politician who’s going to make everything better!
Voters: Never heard that one before…

You’re right and we were wrong. We made the foolish assumption that Trump’s supporters were capable of feeling shame.

So he’s Marianne Williamson.

And instead we have Republicans denying primary challenges to Trump. I wonder what they’re worried about.

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That’s not how this works. That’s not how any of this works! For god’s sake, this guy runs a major company, and he doesn’t understand how debt works?

Perot proves a third party candidate can do well. When he dropped out of the race in July, he was polling around 30-35% and for a few weeks had actually been winning. If he had not publically gone berzerk, and had stayed in, there is little doubt he would have done better than 19%; I don’t think he could have won, but 25-28 percent is very possible, and it is quite possible he could have won Maine, Utah, Alaska, and/or a few other smaller states. And hell, you never know.

The thing is, Ross Perot, however fucking nuts he was, was a charismatic guy. Perot was an early bellwether of some elements of campaigning Donald Trump proved:

  1. Simple, simple, simple. Simple messaging and sound bites destroy complex answers. Efforts to provide the public with nuance simply don’t matter; they are always stomped by simple appeals to emotion. People still remember “Giant sucking sound.” It was simple, visual, memorable. It worked.

His only other policy I can recall was his opposition to the Gulf War, which wasn’t a super popular position to have but it was simple, and set him apart from anyone else.

  1. Don’t apologize. Just barrel along.

  2. Charisma matters. George H.W. Bush was, midway through his Presidency, so popular that it was a common late night talk show joke that the Democrats had already given up in the 1992 election. In the end, though, he was up against two candidates that were immensely more charismatic; he was a good statesman, but he was boring. Perot had charisma.

Those things are against the law. Why do we need to distribute resources after those have been outlawed. See what you stepped in there?

And yet there’s a long history of those things happening and continuing to happen in America. Why does your argument exclude all the lessons of basic US labor history?

the GOP brand is hurt by Trump but it seems like he may not be impacted by it so far. Reminds me of the teflon Don, John Gotti, Trump is a bit of a teflon president . If he runs in 2020 we will see if the teflon is still there.

Ok. So the government can’t prosecute its own laws. Sounds like a you problem.

No, it’s an America problem. Again, why does your argument exclude all the lessons of basic US labor history?

I think US labor history has been badly written since it was written almost entirely by marxists and other socialists. You must be aware of bias in this field as is a cliche at this point.

That’s odd, because usually history is written by the winners.

Schultz got the city of Seattle to give him the right to build a driveway through a city park that went direct to his private property, and didn’t compensate them for it, including using the park as a construction staging site. After having re-landscape the public park to meet his personal needs, he then moved out of the property to another part of the city.

And apparently citizens of Seattle are still bitter over his sale of the Seattle SuperSonics.
Howard Schultz built a driveway through a park: This is why he shouldn't be president | Salon.com?

Different domains have different battles and different victors. Academia and journals are different domains than corporations.

Republicans should hang their heads in shame and we don’t yet know if the prediction is true or not.

If he were a normal person who needed support from donors to stay in the race, I’d be confident he’d be out very shortly after getting in. but he could theoretically finance a full-scale campaign out of his pocket, and I have no idea what the chance of him deciding to do that is. Even in that case, I’d be very surprised if he cracked 5%.

:rolleyes:

What does “left” mean to you, anyway? What typifies someone who is demonstrably left-of-center (for some version of “center” you wish to define)?

As I’ve said before, I’m not concerned that Trump will win. But I am worried that the Republicans will arrange things so he “wins”.