It's only f**king March!!

Okay. Bill Bradley and John McCain have both withdrawn from the presidential race. What’s more, Bradley has thrown his support behind Al Gore. So we’re left with Gore and Bush–one of whom will be our president beginning in January 2001. Now, I’d just like to say…it’s March 22nd. The election isn’t until November. The conventions aren’t until August. What the fuck is wrong with this country???

Think about it. On the one hand, most observers have known since 1998 that the nominees almost certainly would be Bush and Gore, if for no other reason than the size of their war chests. On the other, we now have seven months–SEVEN MONTHS–of media horse-race politics, endless sniping, and a mad dash to the center while ignoring most substantive issues. Both of these things are really fucked up, and it honestly makes me pretty mad. I’m sorry; I don’t think we can call our system a representative democracy any more, in any fashion but the most nominative and symbolic.

The rules are simple–if you have the most money, and you have the support of the leadership of one of the two major parties, you have a chance to be president. Otherwise, no chance at all.

It doesn’t matter if, like Bush, you were a C student in college, your political past is littered with instances of patronage and favor-dealing, and your two greatest accomplishments are being the son of a former president and governor of a state whose constitution vests the executive with less power than almost anywhere else in the union. And it doesn’t matter if, like Gore, you trumpet environmentalism while filling your coffers with corporate money, you’re anointed your party’s nominee so early that your stance on actual issues is largely unimportant, and your two greates accomplishments are being the son of a former senator and vice-president to a man whose administration embodied pandering, poll-driven centrism. No, so long as you’ve got the cash and the royal seal of approval (one of which often begets the other), you can be the nominee. Otherwise, you’re just plumb out of luck.

Y’know, I would have voted for Bill Bradley, maybe. He wasn’t perfect, but he was as close to a progressive as we had in the field, and he had Paul Wellstone’s backing. I would have even voted for McCain. Sure, he’s far to the right of me on most issues, but he’s committed to campaign finance reform, and perhaps being the opposition party would revitalize Congressional Democrats (whose collective liberalism settled into complacent indolence as soon as Clinton gained office). I would have campaigned for Warren Beatty. Laugh if you want, but he’s a genuine progressive who’s shown vision and intelligence lacking in many of our politicians. Hell, I would have been interested to see what kind of candidate Elizabeth Dole was! Her poll numbers weren’t that bad, and maybe if she’d lasted till the primaries I could actually have figured out where she stood on the issues. But because she couldn’t raise enough money to compete with Bush, her campaign was over before the campaigning even started.

So instead, in this grandest of democracies, there are now two candidates who have any chance at all of winning election seven months from now, and I get to exercise my constitutional right to choose between them. Never mind that two-thirds of the states hadn’t even held their primaries before the party nominees were decided; to choose between two rich, white men with whom I disagree in almost every area, and neither of whom are very likely to focus on certain problems–hunger, homelessness, concentration of media, the perils of globalization, the increasing income gap, poorly funded schools, structural urban poverty–which will harm or continue to harm millions of Americans in the coming years…is it really any wonder that people don’t vote more?

I think it’s a corrupted system, I really do. There’s nothing sinister about it, no conspiracy–but our government is, as someone put it, “by the comfortable, of the comfortable, and for the comfortable.” And where’s the democracy in that? Hell, I hear Pat Buchanan–Pat Buchanan, for Chrissakes!–railing about the two-party monopoly of esconced interests in Washington, of an institutional structure interested solely in perpetuating the status quo, and I find myself agreeing with him. He may be a racist, isolationist, protectionist, and borderline fascist, but the man has a valid point.

Look, we’re the most prosperous nation in the world. Our citizens have a combination of liberties and material wealth afforded to those in few other countries, and we have economic, political, and military power which is absolutely unparalleled. But it doesn’t mean things are as good as they can be, and it doesn’t mean things can’t get worse. For that matter, it doesn’t mean that things aren’t already worse, economic “boom” notwithstanding, for many, many, many people within our borders. Those who don’t have lobbyists, don’t hold stock options, don’t drive SUVs, are living paycheck to paycheck. If this is their government, too, then why does hardly anything get better? I don’t want to have to choose between Gore and Bush, two mediocre men with superlative pedigrees, and I resent the hell out of the fact that this choice is trumpeted as the pinnacle of freedom and democracy. We’ve got seven more months…are we really so satisfied with our choices of challengers that we can put down our pencils before time’s run out?

Just had to get that off my chest.

I’m just sick of hearing this crap on the news. I live in goddamn Canada and it’s always on. I realize that American politics have a big impact on Canadian affairs, but come on, why don’t you just tell us when it’s over?
I don’t vote. It’s not a political statement, it’s a statistical statement.

Well said.

Originally posted by KarmaComa:

Karma? It’s over. :slight_smile:

Well, yeah, I totally agree…but that’s a WHOLE 'nother rant.

(Sure, one vote can make a difference! Riiiiiight…)

If you’d like your vote to make a difference, vote for Harry Browne or another third party candidate?

What’s that you say? They’ll never win? Well… as has been pointed out, it’s not like your vote for either of the other two is going to turn the election anyway, but given the relative numbers, it will make a hell of a lot more difference (maybe even 10 more) to Mr. Browne’s campaign than to Bush or Gore 2000.

Aside from a celebrity match-up, any viable third party needs to grow over time with a greater showing each year. Your vote now can help build towards a third-party election many years from now.

err… that is “Vote for Harry Browne or another third party candidate.” (emphasis on the period!) :o

Does anybody really believe that Gore has a snowball’s chance in hell? As much as I hate the man, you’ve got to admit, George Bush Jr. is our next president.


Cessandra

I would’ve gotten away with it, too, if it weren’t for those meddling kids!

Not if ballot access laws aren’t made less restrictive, or debates opened up to alternative parties, or campaign finance reformed in such a way that parties without millions of dollars in corporate backing are able to compete.

I take your point, but it’s a vicious circle…the Democrats and Republicans want to keep it a two-man game, and they’re backed by the Supreme Court (sorry, I don’t remember the case…I think it was regarding Minnesota campaign law. Can someone help me out?). If a third party comes to be regarded as a serious threat, measures will be taken to reduce that party’s ability to compete.

Anyway, one vote still wouldn’t matter, in the pragmatic sense, even to parties struggling for support. Because it’s just one vote. I’ll make an argument for the efficacy of organizing votes, as this is an interest group-based system, but I really think that’s for another thread. (I might start it.)

I don’t know if I agree that the outcome’s that certain. Bush and Gore both have tremendous weaknesses which can be exploited. Unfortunately, they share many of those weaknesses, like a slavish devotion to free trade, so they’ll likely be content to debate character and see who can use the most patriotic-sounding phrases. (I’m amazed Gore has the cojones to dress himself up as a campaign finance reformer…what a coincidence it happened the moment McCain abandoned his effort)

In any case, it’s becoming clear that what most American people want in their executive is image rather than ideas–someone who just seems like a leader. Might work for a monarchy, but…anyway, I’m getting off the track. The point is that both Gore and Bush are “good presidential material,” everything else aside. I don’t see the basis on which you say that one will certainly be elected over the other.

To someone from Minnesota, this seems alot like damning with faint praise.

Our current senators are Rod Grams (a former newscaster and far-right winger) and Paul Wellstone (a tree-hugging leftist).

Oh, did I mention our governor?

We also elected a former football player to our state’s Supreme Court.

Logic is better served, IMHO, by not using my state’s elected officials as examples in any sort of rational argument.

If my state’s history has any corollary to the result of the upcoming election, then name recognition will be the deciding factor.

Sad, huh?

Dear God…if that tongue-tangled mess gets in the White House, we can be guaranteed another ripe harvest of fodder for the “365 of the Stupidest Things Ever Said!” calendars.

The man gives the impression of being a complete moron, at least intellectually.

Not that Gore’s any better. Perhaps slightly more articulate, but no more policitically savvy.

They’re both overly-groomed party puppets. Whee.


Teaching: The ultimate birth control method.

Laura’s Stuff and Things

Dunno 'bout the tree-hugging part, but Wellstone’s one of the only genuine progressives left in Congress, and from what I hear the man has truly remarkable political charisma. Too bad his hip causes him too much pain to run for president…I think some people’d be surprised at just how much sense a “leftist” can make.

I think U are all forgetting something.
1 vote could make a significant statistical difference.
The president is allways elected by much less than 1000 votes.

Of course U don’t really get 2 vote for the president, remember?

_________________________________Salaam

bush will be our next president? I disagree. I believe gore will win easily. “It’s the economy, stupid”. He’ll win by default.

I voted for Harry Browne in 96, and will vote for him again in '00. There are many, many third party candidates out there. They say you waste your vote voting for one of them, but I think you waste your vote not voting for the person you most believe in.

Bush and Gore

If you ask me, that’s a pretty good nutshell description of American politics.


Sig! Sig a Sog! Sig it loud! Sig it Strog! – Karen Carpenter with a head cold

OK, we’re agreed; Bush and Gore both suck. So what are we going to do about it?

Cecil for President!!

Well, why not? I can’t think of a more noble platform than “Fighting Ignorance”, which certainly has more sex appeal than campaign finance reform. Talk about a broad-based, grass roots constituency; we have people on both sides of abortion, gun control, the death penalty and creationism, and yet we all agree on one thing; that Cecil Adams IS the smartest person in the world! America deserves a little intellect in the White House for a change. Plus, we could pack the Supreme court with justices in favor of criminalizing the “gry” question.

I propose the formation of the Stamp Out Ignorance Party, which will embark on the first entirely web-based Presidential campaign. We can do it; we have the technology! And we certainly have the manpower; look how much time you guys waste hanging around here, talking about what’s in Satan’s butt. Let’s put all that pent up, creative energy to work for a cause that will benefit all mankind; the election of Cecil Adams as the next President of the United States!

Teeming Millions Of The World, Unite! You Have Nothing To Lose But Your Ignorance!!


TT

“It is better to know some of the questions than all of the answers.”
–James Thurber

Why does everyone think Cecil is so bloody amazing anyway? I mean, he’s a good writer, and is no doubt very intelligent, but when it comes down to it he’s just a guy who does research and answers inane questions.

Why not Dan Savage for president? What red blooded American wouldn’t vote for him?

Bush and Gore:

Makes me miss Perot.


You say “cheesy” like that’s a BAD thing.

Ah, yes, I forgot…it’s not necessary to have the support of party leadership to stand a chance for the presidency–not if you’re a lunatic, paranoid, faux-populist billionaire!

Though actually, Perot could’ve won in '92 had he not dropped out in late summer, and had he not entered the race initially for the sole purposes of ensuring the humiliating defeat of George Bush.