Saw part 1 of the movie last night, which got me to wondering what point the “deathly hallows” (the Elder Wand, Resurrection Stone, and Invisibility Cloak) played in the plot of the book?
I have read the book but forgotten a lot of it, and the Wikipedia summary isn’t very helpful. It seems that Voldemort is seeking them, but the plot seems to revolve around finding/destroying Horcruxes and the final battle at Hogwarts.
Do Harry and crew need to destroy Voldemort before he gets all the Horcruxes and evades death forever?
They need to destroy the Horcruxes because Voldemort’s soul is stored in them. If they kill him without destroying those, he could come back again.
The Deathly Hallows? One, the Elder Wand is the one Voldemort wants. The Resurrection Stone is inside the Snitch Harry has. It opens when he decides to go ahead and die. He resurrects his parents, Sirius Black, and Lupin. They help him walk to his death.
Voldy doesn’t give a crap about the invisibility cloak or the ring. All he wants is the Elder Wand. He wants it for two reasons: Primarily because it’ll make him more uber and secondarily because he thinks it’ll stop him from fucking up every time he gets in a DBZ energy beam clash with Harry.
Voldy took his soul and broke 'em up into seven pieces and put six of them (he kept the seventh for himself obviously) into objects that are now called horcruxes.
The final horcrux is Harry! Surprise!
This way if he dies his soul will live on and he can be reborn. Sort of like the One Ring in LOTR. Voldy isn’t looking for the horcruxes. He knows where they all are. Harry & CO are looking for them because if Voldy still has any when they finally take a shot at him he won’t really die.
I was under the impression that Voldemort doesn’t even know about the Hallows. He knows about the Elder Wand, obviously, since he goes after it, but only in terms of it being a powerful item in and of itself, not as part of a group. It is suggested that even if he did know about the others, he wouldn’t be particularly bothered about finding them.
Sorry I meant to ask if the crew needs to find the Hallows before Voldermort did. I understand what the Horcruxes are.
Anyways, it seems like they’re not really significant to the plot then, right? I mean, he gets the Elder Wand and clearly the world doesn’t end, so . . .
No. Voldy doesn’t care about any of them except the wand. And Harry already has the other two from the very beginning of the book, even if he doesn’t know it at the time (the ring in the snitch and the cloak).
Frankly, no. It’s really obvious that Row hadn’t even thought of the fairy tale until the end because in the earlier books everyone says “OMGOSH it’s an invisibility cloak those are like rare and expensive no fair that you get one!” and then it turns out that it’s a unique part of a three item set. Well, I guess it’s somehow different than all those other, ordinary invisibility cloaks, right? :rolleyes:
Only because the wand didn’t recognize him as its owner. Dumble was the first owner (for the sake of argument). Malfoy disarmed Dumble, effectively defeating him. Snape then killed Dumble. Voldy knew that Snape had killed Dumble but not that Malfoy had de facto defeated him beforehand. So when Voldy kills Snape in an attempt to make the wand recognize him as its owner he’s killing the wrong peep. Later Harry defeats Malfoy becoming the true owner of the wand so that when he and Voldy duel at the end Voldy is trying to use Harry’s own wand against him. It doesn’t turn out well for him.
Like the Deathly Hollows it’s obvious that Rowling didn’t think up the rules regarding wand ownership until the end of the series as the earlier books are rife with people defeating one another without apparent wand ownership consequences.
Voldemort doesn’t know about the deathly hallows (being raised by muggles) but he inadvertently used one of them as a horcrux because of his family history. He did know about the legend of the powerful wand. Dumbledor did know what the deathly hallows were and actively sought them. He conquered the wand for his own and had borrowed the cloak from his father just before he was killed. The reason his hand was disfigured is because he tried to use the stone (presumably to bring back his sister) and was hit by a fatal curse put on it by Voldemort (to protect his piece of soul in it). Snape was able to contain the curse but it would have killed Dumbledor within a year which is why he wanted Snape to kill him (to save Draco from becoming a murderer.).
Although Harry briefly flirts with a mission to find them, they are mostly a side story. They act as:
Dumbledore’s quest to find them is part of his backstory that we learn
They are a clue Dumbledore leaves them in the form of the Bard book, so that Harry knows how to defeat Voldemort, and also is allowed some closure beforehand
It’s an interesting mystery, and we end up discovering which objects are they really are
Maybe its only the elder wand that works this way?
I was wondering about the horcrux in the cave, where Dumbledore had to drink the water. If RAB had already taken that horcrux, why was the water still there?
Have you read the books? The last book devotes a great deal of time discussing how wand ownership works as explained by a wand maker.
The trap would be worthless if it didn’t refill itself after a certain amount of time. Otherwise one person could come in, try to drink some, only make it halfway through and leave, and now leave the trap half as effective for the next guy who makes an attempt. Or hell, otherwise I could go in, drink a few sips, leave to regain my strength, then rinse and repeat until I’ve emptied it.
I agree she made a lot of stuff up at the end, but what instances earlier in series occur where someone is defeated, their wand is taken by the conqueror, and that wand is later used?
If I beat you your wand should now belong to me. Meaning it shouldn’t work as well for you. Everyone who’s ever been defeated in the course of the books should have shit wands that don’t work at their peak anymore because they don’t truly belong to them. Whether the new owner uses that wand afterwards is irrelevant.
The way I read it was that it had to be seized by force and kept, otherwise it would retain its allegiance to its owner. That seems to have been the way it worked in the books.
And actually, who says Malfoy’s wand worked all that well for Voldemort anyway? The first and only time he got to use it was in the Battle Over Little Whinging, and it failed him there.
Well actually, I asked this before and I don’t recall how people answered, but there had to be another horcurx at the beginning of the thing, otherwise how the fuck did Quirrell end up with a piece of Lord Moldybutt in him? If nothing else, there’s another piece of Voldy unaccounted for in the later stories and descriptions of what he did.
For the most part, the Hallows are a small red fish swimming in the larger story.
I thought the piece of Voldemort in Quirrell was the part that got blown up when his attempt to kill The Chosen One boomeranged. I don’t think Rowling ever explained this, did she? I just pictured Voldemort slinking off like Sauron to recover his powers.
Well, of course that’s the way it seems in the books. It’s the only way to reconcile all the events of the first six books with what we’re told about wands in the final book.
No piece of Voldy was blown up when his attempt to kill the Chosen One boomeranged. No piece of his soul, anyway. Only his body was destroyed. All seven parts of his soul were just fine. You could find him and hack him to pieces a hundred times over and he won’t burn through his horcruxes. He doesn’t have seven lives. He has an infinite amount of lives as long as he has even a single horcrux remaining. (Not suggesting that you believe he has seven lives or whatever- just clarifying my own position.)