Huerta88 - your handle hurts you

I’d like to tackle the username head-on, because there’s a lot of evidence in that name for all to see.

  • First off, it’s six letters, just like the other, starts with h, just like the other. Interesting.
  • It contains four letters in common, h,e,t, and r. That’s a majority. Even more interesting. (As an aside, in some dialects of Spanish, Caribbean certainly, the r can be pronounced as an l in some circumstances, so that letter may be doing double duty. This is not true in Mexico or in standard Castilian, though, so it depends on where h88 is from as to whether there’s anything to this.)
  • There’s that 88 thing that got this whole thing started. Put that together with the first two points, and it gets very interesting.
  • Someone around here brought up numerology, so I ran the numbers: huerta sums to 73, the other to 72. My guess is that he tried for one that would match as closely as possible, but couldn’t find anything exact. I suppose I could write a program for him to find one, but the pay for the project would have to be enough for me to retire on.
  • Then there’s the evidence of the thread: h88 (which is how I’ll refer to him from now on, because it makes it obvious what and who he is, by taking out the fluff) kept it going all by himself for, what, a week? Two weeks? It got to the point where it was being referred to as h88’s blog, fer cryin’ out loud. So, we have a guy with 88 in his handle, name starts with h, has six letters in it, obsessing about a racially-charged rape case.
    Wotta surprise, eh? Y’all could knock me over with a feather. Well, if I were a complete ignoramus or a stubborn right-wing ass masquerading as a reasonable guy, you could. As I have some common sense, no.
  • More evidence from the thread: the cite of the DOJ stats.

Now this is very important evidence. My numbers-crunching, as it were, can all be written off as coincidence, after all. But the DOJ stats? Damning evidence, especially given the handle, and given that the person with the handle single-handedly kept that thread going, even after the story had dropped from the news. I’d actually forgotten about it completely until yesterday morning, when I came back here and saw h88 blithering on and on and on about it.

After the invasion of this board by the sewer-level cretins from that other one, I spent a year and more lurking over there, reading everything I could. Over and over, the DOJ stats would come up over there in threads and discussions about blacks.
This was a while ago, the idea being to be able to readily id someone from that world if they made their way over here.
So, coming back to the world of the Dope, and seeing someone suddenly bring these up, I thought WTF? My first thought was, why would someone introduce statistics into a thread about the evidence, or lack thereof, of a crime in some particular case? It was, I thought, bizarre.
Then I thought about the handle, remembered my lurking days over on The Dark Side (it had been a while, so I had to dredge up my memories), and figured it out.
This was back when the story was hot, and ywtf and h88 started to get into it. I could pretty much predict where h88 was going to take this. I didn’t realize he’d be so obvious as to actually obsess though, so when I got on yesterday morning and saw that he had kept the thread alive pretty much all by himself, well, I was pretty amazed at the nerve this guy was showing.
As for those who refuse to see who he is, well, as I said, I’m not surprised at the list of his defenders, although I am, I have to admit, disappointed, regardless of the prior low esteem I held them in.
I had thought they had at least a shred of decency. Apparently, though, I erred in thinking that.
Oh well, no biggie.

Bricker, the stats are irrelevant to this particular case. She has already explained why she wasn’t addressing the accuracy of the stats, only their relevance.
Lecturing her about how to respond is so completely out of place it’s not even funny.

Bricker, I’m so glad you’re here to tell me what’s what. :rolleyes:

You have gone on record defending the indefensible, man. Even if Mr.88 is not a certifiable neonazi, this sickening display of fellatio permanently stains your credibility on this board. The ironic thing is that if you hadn’t started this thread, most Dopers would have gone on thinking you were smart and rational. Thanks for pulling back the curtain and showing us the truth.

So, with that in mind, what ever makes you think I’d take any lecture from you seriously?

She wasn’t being hysterical, and I’m tired of that accustation being thrown around. Her arguments were consistently on-point, well-stated, and rock solid throughout the thread. She brought with her reputatable citations that were unmatched by all of her opponents. You won’t admit you were wrong or apologize for your uncalled for attacks on you with the face, and now you have the audacity to lecture her on how to debate. What arrogance!

I don’t see how a lawyer can pull off a stunt like you did in that thread and be proud of himself.

So now the herd decides what name is apropriate? Who are the Nazi’s now? I say judge the poster on the content of the post, not on any name. Does it matter who said it if it is the truth? A few years ago my sons joined the local swimming league. They had to buy pool passes. Tristan got number666 and AJ got 667. Did I kill them for being the beast? (and the kid who lived right across the street?) No. I ignored it. It was of no significance. I am sure the there would be some nutcase out there that would have refused to get in the pool with 666, but they did not know and guess what? Nobody drowned! I think is pretty darn pompous to tell another what their name can be. Judge the person on posts and actions, not on name.

I noticed the same information. And I also noticed that the information that Huerta88 claimed was on page 32 (Table 42) was not there at all. Instead, there was Table 43a: Personal Crimes of Violence Distribution of Victimizations by Characteristics of Victims, Type of Crime and Victim/Offender Relationship. It had nothing to do with race. Ellis Dee offered some other pages which I have not pursued.

That made me wonder how long it had been since Huerta88 had actually looked at the link he had provided at the DOJ. Certainly not recently. It is still offered as “evidence” (though misunderstood and misinterpreted) at some of the neo-nazi web sites that are not up to date. But no one would find that exact information where he said it was at the Department of Justice website.

What then was the real source of Huerta88’s information? (Or has he had it stored in a file for a while?)

Rabbi Marvin Hier, founder and dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles, said in 2002 that it was well-known at the center that “88” stands for “Heil Hitler.”

Cite

Um… what thread were you reading? Could you link to it, please? That description has absolutely nothing accurate about it in the thread I’m talking about. Obviously you were reading a secret, hidden thread in which you with the face displayed all the on-point, well-stated, rock-solid arguments she kept so successfully out of the thread I saw.

How can you come down so hard on her when she spoke nothing but reason and truth, Bricker? Do you really want to go on record defending the facile arguments in that thread?

How can you stand beside an ignorant jerk who posts links to non-existent stats and then tries to make them mean something they don’t, who then crosses the line and accuses people of wanting to be raped when they can’t think of anything else to say? And you’re supposedly an example of an intelligent, Christ-loving man? Could have fooled me.

Huerta’s diarrhea has been excerpted here as evidence of his shitty logic. Do you dare post something you with the face said that you disagree with, so that we shall all see why she’s so deserving of your scorn and derision? If you find something that’s outrageous and egregious from her, then I will consider retracting some of my adulation. If you can’t, then I’ll conclude you’re a whiny sore loser who doesn’t know when to stop pumping out shit.
I expect you to ignore my challenge like the supreme coward you are.

That’s not the only thing staining his credibility.

Well, at this point the thing most staining his credibility, such as it is, is that he continues to harp on the idea that these stats have any relevance, a, and b, that ywtf’s pointing out that they have no relevance is hysterical behavior.
Which is, given the source, pretty hysterical. We appear to have crossed the line into farce. It’ll be entertaining, seeing h88 wriggle out of where he got the stats from, given what Zoe found, and then seeing Bricker trying to continue to maintain that h88 was being all reasonable and airtight and all that.
I’m too tired to hit the beach or a barbecue today, so hopefully, said entertainment will be provided.

It seems to me that if you’re taking a name that has certain connotations, you can’t blame others for making assumptions, even if your use of the name is entirely innocent. If I called myself “Hitlerfan” I’d expect people to take offence, even if I was referring to Steve Hitler, the guy up the street who helped me through hard times.

I know “88” is a bit more obscure than “Hitler” but perhaps the mods could send an email suggesting a different name if someone picks “Joe88” or whatever.

Ultimately, the thing that hurts Bricker’s cred is this thread, all by itself.

He has officially gone on record as being an apologist for someone who bears striking resemblance to a neonazi fan boy. Actually, he did more than apologize. He gobbled his shit up without scrutiny and begged, pleaded, groveled for more. And then called the shit logical and well-reasoned. Oh yeah, and then joined in some rather unwarranted and tasteless attacks against someone he was too cowardly to debate on rational grounds. At least Ellis Dee, bless his retarded heart, was brave enough to do more than take chihuahua ankle-bites out his opponent. He stuck his neck out there and wasn’t afraid to show us his stupidity.

Bricker, on the other hand, is a coward because he can only say that something/someone is stupid, but he’s too incompetent to say how. That sweet little lecture he gave me was a last ditch move to save face. Let’s bow our heads and pray for him.

BTW, I think pantom has provided some pretty damning evidence that Huerta is not exactly the kind of guy most Dopers would want to be allied with. Does anyone still have any doubts that the 88 is just a misfortunate coincidence? Even after arguing against the glurge he’s posted, I was giving him the benefit the doubt. But the numerology stuff that pantom has pointed out is…well let’s just say I’m falling back on “probablistic models”.

Isn’t this the very same course of action that you are condeming in the “Lying Whore” thread?

Has Huerta responded to this thread vis-a-vis his handle?

That’s a pretty ridiculous claim. Though if you can link a neo-nazi website with that link and a reference to page 32, the theory would gain some credibility.

Until then, let me get this straight. A person (you) who is admittedly incapable of navigating that document is now claiming that offering an incorrect page number is evidence of wrongdoing? Maybe he just had the same struggles you did?

Note that the table he was referring to was on page 30. He incorrectly specified page 32 in his first post, and the second time he referenced the location of the table in the document (to furt) he correctly identified the page number as 30.

If Huerta88 were a neo-nazi, why wouldn’t he just come out and say it? It’s an anonymous message board. If I were a klansman and was confronted about it in person by the Portland Trailblazers, then yeah, lying would make a lot of sense. But if confronted by people on a board that have no idea who I am, nor pose any threat to my well-being, why not come out regarding my true nature?

Maybe your irony meter is off? I know the switch to mine is located on my forehead.

:smack:

See page 2, post #61.

I’m being sarcastic, in case your meter is broken.

Ellis Dee, thanks for refreshing my memory on which page I should check. I will take a look. (I no longer read the other thread.)

If you check on the list of pages on the original link that Huerta88 posted, the bookmarks also have the pages listed incorrectly. It took actually clicking on the index to realize that there is a revised version. So my criticism of Huerta88 still stands. He was using old information that he hadn’t checked out in a while. It wasn’t just a typo or similar kind of error.