Hypothetically, if Trump flees the US, where would he go?

I’d say Russia, but I’d also say that it is doubtful that former kGB Putin still considers Trump to be a “useful idiot”, something that the KGB considered to be a valuable asset.

He should go to where interior appointments are even more gaudy and garish than what he’s used to: Vatican City :slightly_smiling_face:

Trump will be a prize for Vlad. “See? Ex-president of U.S. prefers to live here than in corrupt country.” He will give him an opulent dacha, if not three or four, trot him out on state occasions to meet foriegn leaders, even give him an official title and a job where he does nothing but badmouth the U.S. and Nato and the west with no real duties otherwise–Trump’s ideal job.

Russia.
100% Propaganda Gold.

I don’t think they would consider him a “useful” idiot if he actually had to flee the US.

“Faux king idiot?”

If he had to flee the US to escape honest justice that does not in any sense mean he would stop being highly influential among the Reactionary Wacko side of US politics. The folks for whom “honest justice” is an oxymoron.

Over decades past and even right now today many, many leaders-in-exile have continued to bash their hated oppressors now improperly in power in their home country. This well-funded bashing from afar often precedes a successful comeback / counter-revolution a few years later. The nature of the Internet makes this far more effective now than it was in earlier eras.

If Trump flees I don’t see him triumphantly returning in e.g. 2029 after being pardoned by the new R incumbent in 2028. But only due to his age or death by then. Not because I think a triumphant return would be politically impossible, or even particularly politically difficult.

The USA is far less decent, and far more like those unstable “shit-hole” countries Trump spoke of, than most of us are quite ready to admit. And an awful lot of that very indecency is Trump’s doing.

I guess you are correct that Russia would take him in if he decided to go there. I don’t think his living conditions would be quite as comfortable as he is used to though. One of the conditions his hosts would likely impose is that all his public statements and appearances be closely controlled, and I don’t see Trump tolerating that.

Which is a good argument for why he won’t do that.

I’m afraid you are right on. The fact that there are millions of people who would actually put him back in the White House is depressing in the extreme.

I agree about North Korea, however I really doubt Melania’s wishes would enter into t he equation.

Yeah, I think that Russia’s the obvious choice. It’s a win-win for both sides- Trump gets his ego stroked about how awesome he is, etc… and Putin gets his own propaganda win and able to sow discord in the US by stoking those flames.

None of the Gulf states have anything to gain from it, North Korea is effectively cut off from the outside world even more than Russia, and the Cuban government probably knows that their days are numbered, so pissing the US off like this would be counterproductive.

Not to mention that I think that Russia and North Korea are the only two countries listed that I think the US would balk at violating their sovereignty in order to get a fugitive ex-President back to face justice. Cuba? We’d see DEVGRU or Delta rolling right in to snatch Trump. Same thing in the UAE or Qatar.

Russia would of course carefully control anything Trump says. Write his speeches and tweets and whatever.

Those speeches would trash the US, the current President and Congress. Trumps already doing that and is perfectly fine with it. I suspect that reading between the lines Russian leaders would insert a number of Ha, ha’s and F’you’s. That Trump couldn’t understand.

The problem would be finding someone that can write in Trump speak.

It isn’t. This is one of the countries he turned on during his presidency. The thoughts were to do with Qatar rejecting him loans when he was desperate. This led to the country being isolated in the middle east with blockades for goods and airspace being withdrawn, meaning they couldn’t fly over their surrounding neighbours forcing contrived routes on their airlines, sometimes over war zones.

This started six months after Trump got in, virtually days after Trump visited Saudi Arabia, and finished pretty much the week after Biden was inaugurated.

He really wasn’t a very good president.

Just tell him that some remote place, Montana or Iowa for instance, is a country abroad that will grant him asylum. Photoshop some nice pictures with golf courses and sexy young ladies and claim it is like that there. He will go voluntarily.
(I mean: you do have jails in Montana and in Iowa, don’t you?)

If that does not work I would suggest Outer Mongolia or Timbuktu, both used to be the iconic destinations for people fleeing in the last panel in the comics I read as a child. Make nostalgia dreamy again!
And also, while I am at it: Make Prison Jail Again! I know it makes no sense, but neither does the fact that he is still not in jail.

I’ve got a suggestion, but they don’t make Handbaskets that big.

There’s a few problems with that, plus I doubt trump would appreciate the craftsmanship. There are no golf courses in Vatican City.

That’s ok he could put in a mini golf course in St Peter’s Square.

I was referring to countries that don’t have extradition treaties with the US. That’s often an indicator of a country that doesn’t have a strong tradition of due process.

Brazil does have an extradition treaty, and also does have a legal commitment to due process (altho’ strained a bit by the previous prez.)

My point is some of those treaties may have loopholes which Trump would definitely use if he can to make himself non-extraditable.

Can he take a good-sized chunk of money with him wherever he lands?

I can’t imagine he’d relocate anywhere if he’d be a pauper in that country. Most of his assets are real estate holdings, right? Can’t take those with him. I suspect he can scrounge up a few million in cash, though.

His company sees income from those real estate holdings. Can he access that income in another country? I assume under normal circumstances someone could, but I wonder if the Justice Department could prevent such transfers.

I daydream this:

“I see, Mr. Trump, that you were able to bring $30 million with you. I hope our policy on entrance fees was made clear to you. By an odd coincidence, the entrance fee for you is $30 million.”

and

“It appears your income from your property holdings is $1 million per month. Certainly you know that you must pay rent on this spacious 500 square foot apartment we are so graciously providing. It’s a very strnage coincidence, but your rent is $1 million per mon th.”