If your girlfriend is not a police dispatcher, hang up with your girlfriend and call 911.
Not sure why there is an assumption that Travon had no right to defend himself. FWIW I tend to think that someone decided to be a vigilante, in a place that never requested him to be and after 911 dispatchers advised on not to follow what in the end turned to be an innocent person.
Has anyone, anywhere at any time made such an assumption?
Of course he had the right to defend himself. But there is no evidence that he had anything to defend himself against.
Well, I think that him being dead now would tell us something about him having a good reason to defend himself when he had a few moments to live.
Incidentally, I tend to agree with what the girlfriend reported, Travon thought he had avoided Zimmerman until the last moments, but the final confrontation was so quick that most of the items you mentioned as things to do were not viable at all.
Blake, what is the point of referring to Trayvon having “gold teeth”(which may or may not be true).
Why be more nervous of someone with some gold teeth than someone without them?
Are you terrified they might bite you?
Also, do you feel the same regarding white people with gold teeth?
That doesn’t even make any sense.
By this argument every single person who has ever been shot or tasered or pepper sprayed by a police officer had a perfect right to do what they were doing at the time, because they was defending themselves.
After all, the fact that they were shot or tasered or pepper sprayed tell us something about them having a good reason to defend himself when he had a few moments before being incpacitated.
Right? :rolleyes:
The girlfriend didn’t report that at all. She reported prolonged confrontation and conversation with Zimmerman, during which Trayvon could have done those things at any time. At no stage did she report him yelling for assistance or approaching a front door or assistance or requesting her to call 911 or hanging up and calling 911 himself.
Once Trayvon initiated the final confrontation, Zimmerman had no time to retreat before he was punched and had his head bashed into the concrete. That’s not exactly surprising. Most people don’t expect to be attacked just because they ask somebody what they are doing.
:rolleyes: back at you, once again your idea only makes sense if Trayvon initiated the confrontation, once again, Zimmerman was not asked to be there and he was not the police.
And that is not at all what she reported, where is that long conversation with Zimmerman?
What, you seriously don’t know that Grills are part of the current tough guy gangsta image?
I think perhaps that you need to get out more.
They aren’t a fashion accessory for lawyers and doctors. They are an accessory for people who want to look tough and violent.
Do you think that being followed down a dark street by a leather clad Hell’s Angel is also no more frightening than being followed by a man in a business suit? Why, do you think he might try to wrap you in leather?
Why, no, you don’t. You associate certain fashions with people who are proud of being criminal and violent. Gold teeth are one of those fashions. That doesn’t mean that everyone with gold teeth is violent and criminal, but it certainly does indicate a respect and glorification of that culture that makes the person more of a risk than someone without them.
I just love the way that Lefties pretend that the way people dress doesn’t allow anyone to make any sort of judgement about them. Of course it’s bullshit. Kids adopt these fashions because they want to look tough, and they want to look tough because they have a respect for that sort of lifestyle. That alone makes them more dangerous on average.
And you do realise the kid was Black, right?
This is getting sillier.
In virtually all cases where police shoot or pepper spray or taser someone, the police initiate the confrontation. I have never, ever heard of a case where a police officer was walking down the street and someone randomly decided to attack them and they had to shoot the person. Never.
By this argument virtually every single person who has ever been shot or tasered or pepper sprayed by a police officer, had a perfect right to do what they were doing at the time, because they was defending themselves and the police initiated the confrontation by following the person and asking what they were doing.
After all, the fact that they were shot or tasered or pepper sprayed tell us something about them having a good reason to defend himself when he had a few moments before being incpacitated.
This is just rot. The fact that the police initiated the confrontation because the person they tasered or shot was acting suspiciously doesn’t change a damn thing.
Your whole argument is just irrational nonsense. :rolleyes:
And…?
Who said there was a long conversation?
I suspect that you dont’ quite understand the difference between “a three hour run and a shower” and “A three hour run and a three hour shower”.
Would that be about correct? That you haven’t understood the use of conjunctives?
Reading comprehension trouble, I’m not talking about the police, you did, since Zimmerman is not the police why you insist on claiming I’m making a point out of incidents with the police?
presisely the point, we are not talking about an incident with the police, no matter how much you want it.
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She reported prolonged confrontation** and conversation** with Zimmerman,
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This has happened before, are you not even aware of what you posted just moments before?
Nuke him from orbit…it’s the only way to be sure…
And now, for something completely different:
Going to answer this without the hints of real events. You should go somewhere public and well lit. If you have to run to do so, then run…squealing like a little girl as you run is optional, but don’t be afraid to simply run away if that’s what it takes.
Even if you aren’t in Florida, as to paraphrase The Bard, the better part of valor is discretion, and running away is better than staying to fight some creep following you about. What’s wrong with trying to defend yourself? Well, it’s stupid unless you have no other option. Live to run away another day is my motto…
-XT
Because we both accept that when the police shoot someone in self defence, it is not evidence that the dead person was killed for acting to defend themselves from the police.
Therefore your argument that the fact that Martin is dead is proof that he was acting to defend himself from Zimmerman is shown to be false.
As I said, you argument is a load of irrational nonsense. You are trying to claim that any time that someone is shot dead, it is evidence that the person was acting in self defence. It is so fucking bizarre that it fails to make sense on any level at all.
Yeah, I really said that we Zimmerman was a police officer. :rolleyes:
Dude, the sole reason for introducing the police was to counter your batshit crazy argument that any time that someone is shot dead, it is evidence that the person was acting in self defence.
Since even you will not claim that every single person shot dead by a police officer was trying to defend themselves from the police, it demonstrates what a ridiculous fucking assertion that was to make.
It really is so batshit crazy to claim that any time that someone is shot dead, it is evidence that the person was acting in self defence that I had a hard time believing that you said it. I am am absolutely flabbergasted that you are trying to *defend *it.
So I was right.
The problem is the basic use of conjunctives in English.
You don’t understand the difference between “A prolonged confrontation and a conversation” and “A prolonged confrontation and a prolonged conversation”. Is that correct?
If you don’t understand the difference between those two sentences then just say so and I will explain it to you. No problem. It’s not difficult.
Nice.
Here in Seattle hoodies are the norm…but yes a suit would scare the hell out of me! You must live on the side of the country where the water drains into the Atlantic, on this side I only see suits on Feds, bad salesmen and “BIZNESS MEN” a.k.a the Russian mafia.
There are only two joints I know of in the city that requires jackets as an example.
The big tattooed guys well they tend to be some of the nicest most honest people you would ever meet.
911
Nobody mentioned hoodies.
Ahh, so you can make judgments about people and their likely motivations based upon their attire?
Nobody mentioned tattoos either.
straw-man, I’m saying ANYONE following and chasing me down in the dark is a risk.
Are you really claiming he saw his teeth and that was the reason he called?
Go out at night, tell me how easy it is to see if someone has teeth 20 yards away let alone their color.
Not any time, and not when police are around, and I do see the context, Zimmerman was not a policeman, he was asked not to be there, and the final confrontation took place in seconds, It is more likely that Travon had a reason to defend himself, being dead under that context points to the likelihood that he had a reason to defend himself.
And you really know that Travon initiated the confrontation. There is no evidence of this.
That tap dancing only works by ignoring the context.
That was not what you posted, you are correcting yourself as not to sound as silly as you are you are. Now you are claiming that you posted: “A prolonged confrontation and a conversation” and “A prolonged confrontation and a prolonged conversation”.
There was not “a” after your “and”. it was indeed “A prolonged confrontation and conversation”
You are still insisting no one can check what you posted before?
No I don’t.
I don’t remember anyone on The Soppranos having gold teeth but I remember lots of them wearing expensive suits.
I wear a suit to work every day. Does that mean people should be scared of me and think I’m a member of the Mafia or the Russian mob?
Besides, gold teeth have been around for decades.
That’s an exceptionally stupid statement.
A friend of mine who had one of his teeth knocked out when he was in college has a gold tooth and he’s working for the Manhatten DA’s office.
Please produce evidence that people who have gold teeth get them to “look tough and violent”.
Also, produce evidence that people with gold teeth are more likely to be “tough and violent” than people without them.
You think I’m a “Left[y]”?:dubious:
Oh God, I nearly pissed myself laughing.
Is your idea that anyone who doesn’t shit all over themselves in fear when they see young black men are “Lefties”?
Er…yes…So what?
Sure, some blacks are violent thugs, but most don’t believe in “acting white”.
I will have to agree with Ibn Warraq (Yeah, I know, a sure sign the end of the world is near 
) **Ibn **is no leftist. As even John Mace pointed out in a different thread, most Americans -75% in a recent poll- report that they think that Zimmerman should be arrested.
That is not mentioned to make a point on the innocence of Travon, but to make the point that unless the USA has been taken over by leftists, it is really silly to think that only leftists are felling queasy on how Zimmerman was let go thanks to what it looks to be an inadequate investigation. How Travon looked is not really important.