I can’t search through all the Tray/Zim threads to see if this has been asked and answered.
What is the crime situation in the area that Zim was watching? Much has been made of the fact that Zim had called 911 many times. Has anyone researched what the results of these calls were? Were people questioned as a result of Zims 911 calls? Were his calls to 911 ignored?
Were there a lot of vandalism, graffiti, burglary, vehicle break-ins, etc. in the area that Zimmerman had decided to patrol? Was the area pretty much crime free?
The first thing that comes to mind is when I learned he had made FORTY SIX calls for a variety of reasons and it seems the vast majority were for trivial issues such as a neighbor leaving their garage door open, a pothole, a second grader walking, etc. Apparently there were neighbors who felt pretty concerned with how gz filled his role, and had talked to the hoa and sherrif about it.
I feel its suspect about him being a little too eager to take the position, and believe he stepped into it because he wanted to be in a position of power. His ex fiance stated he was a territorial and confrontational person, so it fits in with what she said.
I doubt it. From what some said about him, was that he acted as if he owned the place, and was a bit over zealous in “watching” and the things he would report. One homeowner said he had talked to the sherrif about it at a hoa meeting, his concerns about gz, and there were others as well.
interesting and oh so convenient…I wonder if gz didnt innocently come across tm, but instead had been tracking him for some amount of time beforehand and positioned himself there to take advantage of the fact tm was walking alone home from the 711 after it had gotten dark. What a coincidence.
Also the spd doesnt seem to have scrutinized most of what gz told them that night, for the most part they seemed to take his statements at face value without much scrutiny or attempts at really corroborating whether his statments could be backed up. For example, how was it that gz just happened to be there, on a sunday night, right at the exact time tm re-entered the neighborhood.
the pd asked him where he was headed but didnt seem to scrutinize it. For example, he claimed he was going to the store. Ok, well, what was he going out to buy? Thats important, because if he had said “toilet paper” and the pd checked out his bathroom cabinet, and found a jumbo pack of toilet paper, well, that just wouldnt make sense, to go out on a rainy sunday night, to buy something he already has. But they didnt really dig around or apply a little scrutiny to most of these type of details. And details are important, very important. Because you know what they say…the devil is in the details.
Coincidentally he just so happens to be out by himself that night at just the time tm is walking back alone from a quick trip to the store, claiming he was going to go grocery shopping with no money.
Seems more likely given the very important details above, that he did not just innocently come across tm, but rather, positioned himself alone in his car that night for that purpose. Isnt it a bit of a coincidence that he claims he saw tm on frank taaffes lawn? Tm had been visiting his dad there for the past week, had gz noticed him and possibly been tracking him, waiting for the opportune moment ?
Like tripolar said above, I always found it interesting that gz just so happened to be out there that night, right at the time and place that tm was. With no money and maxed out credit card to go do weekly grocery shopping? I dont live in Florida but I think its safe to say that "weekly grocery shopping " for two people would require more than just petty change. Such b.s.
Holy crap, the only suspicious one was gz, going out to buy groceries for the entire week with petty change? In contrast we know tm DID go out to buy what he wanted at 711, he didnt have some bullshit reason of going to buy a couple hundred dollars worth of food with petty change
I’ve heard this before, that Zimmerman had little cash and no credit (or debit) cards on his person. But I can’t find a cite for it. Appreciate if someone had one.
Ditto. I’ve stayed out of these discussions, but I couldn’t help but note that a lot of the accusations against Zimmerman here have been unsubstantiated – or worse, based on empty speculation. That’s one of the things that ultimately convinced me that Zimmerman was probably not guilty.
For the 14 or 16 month time period prior to the assault and justifiable shooting in Twin Oaks, GZ averaged around 1 call per week to the police. The residents of the Retreat at Twin Oaks averaged around 1 call per day to the police.
One of the Sanford PD employees who delt with neighborhood watches testified that she had researched Twin Oaks crime history when she had been asked to help start a Twin Oaks neighborhood watch. She testified that there had been many reported burglaries in the neighborhood.
Wow, this is like that “Ah-Ha” moment that’s written into so many TV and movie scripts. Good for you. You have discovered new evidence that GZ was not going to Target. Who reported this and when did it first come to light?
But the difference is this: people who believe that Zimmerman should have been convicted appear to be relying on those unsubstantiated allegations, or at least a very incomplete understanding of Florida law.
Zimmerman, for purposes of a criminal conviction, is entitled to the great benefit of the doubt: all the elements of the crime have to be proved against him, in a way that eliminates any other reasonable scenario except that of guilt.
That’s not true for Martin, unless you begin speaking theoretically of any crimes for which Martin might have been convicted. If you speak of what Martin perhaps did, or did not do, in the context of the Zimmerman criminal trial, then Martin isn’t owed any particular deference, and Zimmerman is owed a high deference.