I am appalled

[Cat_Whisperer]

@VinylTurnip

This is just the tip of the shitberg. Wikileaks is planning to release years of secret mod correspondence, so we can see what they’ve been saying about ALL of us.

I KNEW IT!

@AClockworkMelon

They probably think we’re spoiled children. What are you going to do about it?

Have a temper tantrum?

[RaftPeople]

@billfish678

You want funny? Given that “blind pigs looking for acorns” didn’t result in many matchs in Google I decided to do a test. I tried some other phrase I figured was really common.

Try "I went camping

Your google-fu must be extremely advanced - if I was looking for the “acorn” phrase I never would have thought to search “I went camping”

But a good find either way.

[DSeid]

@jsgoddess

True, I think the contempt many of the mods feel is pretty apparent from how they moderate.

Is anyone actually surprised that a moderator at this board contemns perfectly good posters?

I am not surprised that a moderator says stupid things and is annoyed by that which she should be grateful for.

I am not surprised that some mods have made some capricious and, well, idiotic decisions (along with more decent ones). Usually though they are of no real consequence since many warnings are garnered before real action is taken.

I am surprised that anyone is willing to be a mod. (Must be one helluva coffee cup!)

But I cannot even fathom why someone who holds the community in contempt would even hang here at all, let alone volunteer to moderate. And I am grateful that there are those willing to take on the task, even if they do not do so with perfection.

Obviously YMMV.

[Claude_Remains]

Ultimately, Who gives a fuck?

[DSeid]

@Stink Fish Pot

… **Twickster’s **apology seemed sincere, but I think the outrage she showed over the particular issue makes it hard for folks to understand, no matter how sorry she is. The anger is so out of proportion to the “offense”, it boggles the mind.

Huh?

What outrage? What offense?

A small albeit undeserved and uncalled for snarky comment of no import to anyone if only it had not been cc’ed. If you think that’s “outrage” you’ve lived a very sheltered existence.

[RaftPeople]

@DSeid

But I cannot even fathom why someone who holds the community in contempt would even hang here at all, let alone volunteer to moderate. And I am grateful that there are those willing to take on the task, even if they do not do so with perfection.

Obviously YMMV.

I can.

I’m not offering any opinion about this specific case - just the observation that there are all kinds of personalities in the world, and it’s certainly possible there could be a mod at a board that holds the members in contempt but gets something out of being a mod.

Again - I’m not saying that’s the case here - just performing an analysis of all reasonable possibilities.

[Tom_Tildrum]

@picunurse

I did not leave her hanging. I left all of you hanging. This isn’t a car accident you may gawk at.
The subject is closed as far as I am concerned. Twickster may or may not feel the same.

picunurse, you’re the one who decided that this insult was something for the community to be concerned about, and now some of us are going to think that the resolution of that insult is the community’s concern as well. I guess I’m surprised that you think that view is not only incorrect, but a basis for you to (ironically, in context) be insulting.

@AClockworkMelon

I don’t know what there is to ask about. Obviously “handled privately” just means that Twickster sent picunurse an over-the-top apologetic private message. Do you guys really need to read the fucking thing for yourselves to make sure it’s apologetic enough or something?

Actually, the statement about not being able to say whether twickster considers the matter closed as well suggests to me that there was no such resolution. My impression is that picunurse threw the apology back and sent additional chastisement twickster’s way.

[TubaDiva]

@Inner_Stickler

Well, for a lot of people, there’s the unresolved issue of if Twickster is ready and willing to call picunurse of all people an idiot, what is she calling the rest of us?

That’s not what was said.

It’s bad enough, don’t be piling on and making stuff up.

[TubaDiva]

@chacoguy

I rarely post here and I’ve never posted in these ‘Bitch about the Mods’ threads ever before, but here’s my take. This is supposed to be one of the smartest groups of folks on the net. The Mods are apparently, superior to us. “She should step down” vs. “She should step aside”. So, these are our leaders, the ones setting the direction and tone of the discussion. They, apparently, are just fine being judgmental, casually dismissive and insulting to someone that helped them do their jobs in the very way they’ve asked for help. This stupid, collective arrogance pisses me, and many others, right the fuck off.

If they can call us Pigs, we should be able to call them Cunts. Either typing at random internet strangers matters or it doesn’t. It’s fundamentally fucked up for them to circle the wagons and tell us not to be butthurt and not apply the same standards to themselves.

Nobody’s namecalling here. Or should be.

[BigT]

@AClockworkMelon

You’re right, this isn’t Subway. This is much, much less serious than if it happened at a Subway. Twickster is a fucking hall monitor. That people care what she says to the other hall monitors when we’re in class boggles my mind.

Huh? The hall monitor has the ability to get you in trouble. The guy at Subway does not. Of course what the hall monitor thinks of you is more important.

The problem is that twickster is in a position to do something about her feelings. It isn’t even hypothetical. We’ve seen this attitude roll over into her moderating. And, as silly as it seems to some of you, some of us care about this message board.

In fact, finding out that she holds this level of contempt for posters makes me feel better at how much contempt I’ve felt from her towards me and a few other posters I like.

[6ImpossibleThingsB4Breakfast]

@elbows

Twickster is a shit mod. You know it, I know it, Cecil knows it, Ed knows it.

I think this is a bit harsh elbows.

Even a blind hog finds an acorn now and then. And with the common occurrence of the blind leading the blind, trained ones have been known to lead a blind squirrel to a nut.

I saw a blind dog find a bone once. It was buried in the flesh of a blind hog’s hock. Completely hilarious to everyone but the squirrel.

[AClockworkMelon]

@BigT

The problem is that twickster is in a position to do something about her feelings. It isn’t even hypothetical.

You’re right.

[brittekland]

Whew… that was long and ugly. I don’t think I need any human contact/interaction for at least a month or two…

Perhaps this adage maybe appropriate here: " 猿も木から落ちる。" (Saru mo ki kara ochiru) “Even monkeys fall from trees.”

With that, I say: May Dopers be vicious at times but only lovingly, Amen.

[pseudotriton_ruber_ruber]

What we can know for sure:

in 100% of the Mods’ private correspondence that we have seen exposed in the past few days, a Mod spoke condescendingly, contemptuously and dismissively of a poster who is generally considered to be a benign Doper, not one of the “Usual Suspects,” not a chronic complainer or jerk, just a decent longtime member of this “community.”

AND

The Mods’ response to this characterization was NOT to chastise the Mod who made the characterization, NOT to express outrage that such disparagement was made, NOT to tell said Mod that she was out of line, etc.

SO

we can safely conclude that in the many private Mod exchanges that we DON’T get to read that posters are routinely disparaged, AND that posters who ARE on the Mods’ hit list get a particularly vicious variety of this disparagement-- meanwhile the public scolding we are all accustomed to concerns the need for a civil tone, backing off from personal attacks, commenting on the post rather than the poster.

If there were some kind of SD FOIA, and we could access the Mods’ private correspondence, I think it would confirm the most extreme positions taken by the most hardcore paranoid Dopers about the explicit conspiracies by the Mods against them, personally, ever expressed.

[samclem]

@Guinastasia

I thought it was blind squirrels?

@Stink Fish Pot

It is. I came in to add this, so I’m glad someone else remembers the phrase same way I did.

I did a google on it, and “even a blind squirrel finds a nut/acorn” pops up quite often. Perhaps it’s a regional thing, with pigs and squirrels being substituted depending on where you are from.

It’s more generational than anything else. “Blind hog” goes back to at least 1883.
“Blind squirrel” is more a mid-20th centuy origin.

[pseudotriton_ruber_ruber]

Remember: this is NOT a discussion of Mods’ disgraceful behavior. This is a discussion about folklore and colloquial expressions. Please stay on topic.

[Fenris]

@samclem

It’s more generational than anything else. “Blind hog” goes back to at least 1883.
“Blind squirrel” is more a mid-20th centuy origin.

1. This is a hijack of the existing thread and has nothing at all to do with the subject matter.
2. AGAIN, if you have a digression about phrase origins, take it to GQ. That is not an appropriate subject for ATMB.

Not junior modding-just my personal opinion. Whatever.

[C_K_Dexter_Haven]

@pseudotriton_ruber_ruber

The Mods’ response to this characterization was NOT to chastise the Mod who made the characterization, NOT to express outrage that such disparagement was made, NOT to tell said Mod that she was out of line, etc.

When a person (poster, mod, or jaywalker)has acknowledged error and apologized, the mods do NOT continue to chastize, express outrage, yell at, scold, berate, or otherwise kick the dead horse in public.

When anyone makes a stupid mistake, and feels terrible about it, and apoligizes in public and in private, we accept that and move on.

Others, obviously, do not.

[Joey_P]

@C_K_Dexter_Haven

When anyone makes a stupid mistake, and feels terrible about it, and apoligizes in public and in private, we accept that and move on.

Others, obviously, do not.

But you can’t blame people for that, it’s human nature and it’s not fair to get mad at us for it.

Pretend like it’s politics.

If a person got a nasty email (by accident) from their local mayor after pointing out a legitimate problem and took it to the media where it was played on the local news, then later the mayor issued an apology…would you really, honestly expect that to be the end of it? No news reports of it after that day?
Would you really expect people talking about it later to say:

Hey, did you hear about that thing with the mayor?
Yeah, he apologized so it doesn’t matter anymore, there’s nothing to talk about.

Or

Hey did you read that email the mayor sent to that lady?
No, but it doesn’t matter he apologized yesterday so you can stop talking about it now.

It simply doesn’t work that way.

I don’t really care one way or the other anymore (though I’ll keep following it if the conversation continues), but I don’t think it’s fair to be annoyed at people who want to hear the resolution or find out if anything happened because of it. We’re a curious people and we don’t just drop things just because you don’t feel like talking about them anymore (not you CK, you the general you).
And to be a bit more specific, I think people are more curious because it’s Twix.

[6ImpossibleThingsB4Breakfast]

@pseudotriton_ruber_ruber

Remember: this is NOT a discussion of Mods’ disgraceful behavior. This is a discussion about folklore and colloquial expressions. Please stay on topic.

Reported for nutty acorn modding.