I am appalled

[NineToTheSky]

Lynn Bodoni

And would you seriously LIKE it if a mod, any mod, POSTED a list of people who were habitual bad reporters? Publicly?

Perhaps not publicly (although I wouldn’t mind) but if there are posters whose reports are ignored, then, yes, it would save everyone time and effort if they were told that there was no point in them reporting anything.

No, I am not wondering if *my *input is ignored, because I rarely find anything to report.

[Muffin]

@C_K_Dexter_Haven

If you want an un-moderated board, there are plenty of them around, and feel free to go there.

I would like the middle ground – a well moderated board: a board that posters like in part because of the work done by the moderators, rather than despite the moderators.

There are some good moderators here. The board would be better if they were all good.

[Muffin]

@Lynn_Bodoni

Early on, I quickly learned who consistently reported things that were not problems…and I simply didn’t bother to check out reports from those people.

I would expect a moderator to check out all reports sent to her by a poster. If a moderator were to have “problems” with a poster, then I would expect the moderator to communicate directly with that poster on the issue prior to ignoring future reports from that poster. To ingnore the reports while leaving the poster believing that the reports were being investigated is far to distainful for my tastes. I sincerely hope that the present moderators do not continue your practice.

[Moonlitherial]

@Lynn_Bodoni

And would you seriously LIKE it if a mod, any mod, POSTED a list of people who were habitual bad reporters? Publicly? Making a bad report isn’t really worth a moderation note, and I can’t think that any good would come of it. I don’t think that I ever even told anyone that their reports were based on a misunderstanding of what was and what was not acceptable in a post.

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If you are wondering whether or not you’re a “time waster”, then ask yourself what happens when you report? Is there action taken, ever? If no action is ever taken, then you probably are not being helpful, even though you probably intend to be. If action is even occasionally taken, then you’re probably not a time waster.

Do all communications from a moderator have to be mod notes or warnings? Wouldn’t it be much more efficient for everyone if you have an issue to just talk about it with the poster?

If you’re getting reports from a poster that are consistently not acted upon because they’re based on a wrong assumption, a quick note to that poster to correct the assumptions saves you from useless reports and them from the time to create them AND the frustration of not having them acted upon.

Isn’t it better to clearly state than to hope that they get the hint from a lack of action?

[Mean_Mr.Mustard]

@Lynn_Bodoni

But please don’t put words in my mouth or imply that I said something which I very carefully did not say.

NineToTheSky did not put words in your mouth; s/he asked you for clarification.

If anything, you - with this statement - are the putter-in of words.
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[CarnalK]

@Moonlitherial

Do all communications from a moderator have to be mod notes or warnings? Wouldn’t it be much more efficient for everyone if you have an issue to just talk about it with the poster?

If you’re getting reports from a poster that are consistently not acted upon because they’re based on a wrong assumption, a quick note to that poster to correct the assumptions saves you from useless reports and them from the time to create them AND the frustration of not having them acted upon.

Isn’t it better to clearly state than to hope that they get the hint from a lack of action?

No kidding. That has got to be the most ridiculous “advice” I’ve ever seen. Lynn, you should be embarrassed.“hey, if you want to know if you’re doing it wrong, don’t expect us to tell you. Just go over the history of your reported posts and calculate whether we think you’re an idiot or not”

[IvoryTowerDenizen]

@Muffin

I would expect a moderator to check out all reports sent to her by a poster. If a moderator were to have “problems” with a poster, then I would expect the moderator to communicate directly with that poster on the issue prior to ignoring future reports from that poster. To ingnore the reports while leaving the poster believing that the reports were being investigated is far to distainful for my tastes. I sincerely hope that the present moderators do not continue your practice.

Well said. How passive aggressive. “You should have known you were bugging me”

[brownie55]

@Lynn_Bodoni

Some people are very, very good at being able to tell which posts are problematic and which are not. Other people mean well, but are very, very bad at determining which posts are violations, and which threads are in the wrong forum. And some people report posts merely because they don’t agree with the post, or the poster.

The people who are good at spotting problem posts, or threads in the wrong forum, are very valuable. However, if one checks one’s email and finds a hundred false positives, mostly from one person, it’s a bit frustrating to check every single report and find that none of the posts are problematic. It’s like a car alarm going off because it’s too sensitive. Should you just ignore that alarm? What if it really IS someone messing with the car this time, instead of a leaf falling on the hood again? Haven’t you ever had this problem?

The reports really are alarms. And while we encourage posters to report, we would appreciate it if posters took just a moment to consider whether their past reports have been valid ones. Remember the little boy who cried wolf.

Early on, I quickly learned who consistently reported things that were not problems…and I simply didn’t bother to check out reports from those people. I figured that if the post really was a problem, then someone else would report it as well. However, my moderation style is quite different from most others’. Most people genuinely do want to help, and we do appreciate it. Sometimes, though, it’s really not helpful to report problems that don’t exist.

@Lynn_Bodoni

I am semi-retired, so I don’t get email reports any more, unless someone forwards a report in the mod loop.

I have absolutely no idea whether picunurse reports needlessly or not. Back when I was receiving reports, either she wasn’t even a poster, or she didn’t report on threads in my forum. I don’t remember EVER receiving a report from her. It’s quite possible that she did report things, but that I didn’t find her reports memorable one way or the other. I did receive reports from several people who either didn’t understand what the guidelines were, or who were revenge reporting, that is, they were reporting because they had a grudge. But please don’t put words in my mouth or imply that I said something which I very carefully did not say.

And would you seriously LIKE it if a mod, any mod, POSTED a list of people who were habitual bad reporters? Publicly? Making a bad report isn’t really worth a moderation note, and I can’t think that any good would come of it. I don’t think that I ever even told anyone that their reports were based on a misunderstanding of what was and what was not acceptable in a post. I mean, I remember one woman who used to complain that certain posts were “not child friendly” or “not child safe”. When she finally bitched to me that she didn’t feel comfortable having the SDMB open in the children’s section of the public library, I DID tell her that the SDMB was a site meant for adults, and that we had no intention of making it child safe. And that the Pit was particularly not child safe. She wasn’t happy with this, but hey, she’s a children’s librarian, and surely she has come across the concept of “not appropriate for all ages” before. My point is, she was a constant reporter whose reports were, I thought, false alarms, so I mostly ignored her reports. I DID respond to her when she asked why we constantly let NSFW links and pics on the SDMB.

If you are wondering whether or not you’re a “time waster”, then ask yourself what happens when you report? Is there action taken, ever? If no action is ever taken, then you probably are not being helpful, even though you probably intend to be. If action is even occasionally taken, then you’re probably not a time waster.

So, in your first post you imply that picunurse is one of those posters that misreports and causes consternation (otherwise why say anything.) In your next post, you admit you have no awareness of her reporting history.

As to being a “time waster,” would it not save both parties frustration if you were to send a short PM clarifying the criteria you would use to report a post rather than allowing people to just keep sending them? Seriously? You expect us to read minds?

[Contrapuntal]

@C_K_Dexter_Haven

Anyhow, I repeat: the apology has been made and accepted. That should end the matter. This horse is very, very, very dead.

I must have missed it. Where did she accept the apology?

[elbows]

It seems to me that often times the problems with the moderation are not, what’s being moderated, so much as, the tone the staff take with the users. I’ve seen it often, in this forum at least. Dare I suggest that having a private running snark fest, on the users, is more likely to contribute negatively, to that tone, than positively. Just something to think about!

Maybe it’s just me, but the sometimes snarky tone of moderation, which has become the norm, suddenly makes a whole lot more sense.

[Muffin]

@C_K_Dexter_Haven

Anyhow, I repeat: the apology has been made and accepted. That should end the matter. This horse is very, very, very dead.

In your mind, the horse is very, very, very, dead. In your mind the apology was accepted. Could we have proof of that acceptance, please, 'cause, you know, what is in your mind is not necessarily so.

[bucketybuck]

You weenies should hear some of the stuff I say about you behind your backs. You really would be appalled. You might even cry.

Wait, did I say that out loud?

[cochrane]

picunurse didn’t really say she accepted the apology. However, she did say she dealt with it in private and considers the matter closed. Yet 3 days later, the kvetching continues. :rolleyes:

[CarnalK]

@cochrane

picunurse didn’t really say she accepted the apology. However, she did say she dealt with it in private and considers the matter closed. Yet 3 days later, the kvetching continues. :rolleyes:

:rolleyes: indeed. Why don’t you run along to another forum that doesn’t deal with the discussion of policy and procedure around here. I think it’d be best for you.

[cochrane]

@CarnalK

:rolleyes: indeed. Why don’t you run along to another forum that doesn’t deal with the discussion of policy and procedure around here. I think it’d be best for you.

Because I am fascinated by the amount of butt-hurtedness and outraged masturbating still being exhibited here. The discussion was over days ago. All that’s going on is useless bitching and nit-picking.

[Mean_Mr.Mustard]

@cochrane

Yet 3 days later, the kvetching continues. :rolleyes:

Hey, if you can’t take the heat, stay out of the kvethin’.
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[Rachellelogram]

@Superdude

Why do you think it’s not?

Let me make sure that I understand you clearly. Are you suggesting that - with the apparent exceptions of twix and myself - no one was ever made a disparaging comment about someone else, only to realize that that person overheard?

I stopped reading right here, because you didn’t understand me clearly. If you’re going to make blanket statements that “everybody does” something, then follow up a criticism of your blanket statement by saying “are you suggesting that no one was[sic] ever” done that thing, it’s not possible to take you seriously. Either the initial blanket statement was accurate or it was an exaggeration. I called you on it, and you formulated multiple paragraphs of backpedaling glurge in response.

Typing this out was a total waste of my time. I hope you’re happy for making me hate you and myself. Don’t strawman me, bro.

[C_K_Dexter_Haven]

I hate to keep this thing open, but I will disagree emphatically with Lynn. I would rather have a dozen reports where I ultimately didn’t need to do anything, rather than have someone NOT report something that did need action. (Does that sentence make sense?) I do not classify posters based on how many reports they make, nor on what percentage of their reports require moderator action. I want people to report posts. I do not have time to read all the posts in the forums I moderate, and if people didn’t report posts, lots of things that should receive moderator attention would be missed.

[Superdude]

@rachelellogram

I stopped reading right here, because you didn’t understand me clearly. If you’re going to make blanket statements that “everybody does” something, then follow up a criticism of your blanket statement by saying “are you suggesting that no one was[sic] ever” done that thing, it’s not possible to take you seriously. Either the initial blanket statement was accurate or it was an exaggeration. I called you on it, and you formulated multiple paragraphs of backpedaling glurge in response.

Typing this out was a total waste of my time. I hope you’re happy for making me hate you and myself. Don’t strawman me, bro.

I wasn’t trying to create a strawman, nor was I trying to backpedal. I obviously misinterpreted what you had said.

I apologize for any confusion I created. It was unintentional.

I’m out of this discussion now, but I wanted to try to clear the air before I did so.

[MsWhatsit]

@cochrane

Because I am fascinated by the amount of butt-hurtedness and outraged masturbating still being exhibited here. The discussion was over days ago. All that’s going on is useless bitching and nit-picking.

Outraged masturbating is the best kind.