I Am Here To State (about Ed's treatment in the SDMB Proposal Thread)

I believe, based on the “Modest Proposal” thread and “Cecil’s” remark upon closing it, something like “you might be right” to DSeid’s prediction that doom is in the offing, maybe, for real this time, and that Ed has rethought this and probably has given up the idea of writing columns again, or at least doing so with sponsorship from the Board. I could be wrong but I bet he never announces this here formally, but we’ll figure it out eventually. If I were him, and had made this proposition and watched the posts go from overwhelmingly supportive to wait a minute, Ed’s not giving details and why should we care about him anyway, I’d feel like I had badly misjudged my influence in this arena and never should have tried this.

Once upon a time In the 70s, the weekly paper Boston After Dark started running a thing called “Owen Slade’s Need-To-Know”, where you could send in a question on any topic, anything at all, and Owen would do his best to answer it in plain language, no jargon, just the facts as best he could determine them without getting too much into the weeds. In Chicago, they copied this idea with The Straight Dope, and improved it by being entertaining and making it clear they weren’t interested in pat answers, the sort of Received Wisdom that gets passed around even if it smells fishy - they would make an effort to dig deeper, and weren’t shy about admitting that there are things we just don’t know.
We were hippies and didn’t trust the Man. It was the difference between Merv Griffin having Mickey Rooney on his show and letting him do his “these are the Greats of Show-Biz” routine, and David Letterman having Mickey on and poking fun at that stuff.

The Straight Dope filled a niche, and Ed Zotti, after taking on the Cecil role, was exceptionally good at choosing which questions might be fun to look into and covering all bases when writing about a topic, within the limits of a short weekly column. People might respond but it was usually to bring up an angle he should have considered. Seldom was he caught with his pants completely down. As has been noted, times have changed and it’s much easier for anyone to do research on their own, but I promise you the same boilerplate half-truths are out there, getting passed on because it’s easier to do that than drill into a subject, but I think these days it’s more confined to specialist corners which a general interest column would want to stay away from. (Go to an audio forum and watch the sparks fly over “brickwalling”. Don’t care? Me neither.) But I still insist there are General Interest topics that cry out for the SD treatment if you look for them.

I wanted to do this little history lesson, in case the Straight Dope Message Board goes away tomorrow and there’s no warning siren. I would miss it, not that I’m a huge presence here, and I’m not even sure what people mean when they talk about the SDMB “community”, it’s just a lot of users with mostly made-up names who come and go but I guess some are more invested in this than me, and I’ll feel bad for them, especially since I have no realistic expectation that Ed or anyone else will make an announcement when the auld-lang-syne moment is upon us, but that’s how things function on the commercial internet. It would be nice to know ahead of time, so we could make our confessions, but maybe someone will do a podcast or HBO documentary called The Life and Death of Cecil Adams and the Straight Dope, which I’d be sure to look into; it would be a very interesting slice of media history.

As to the Community bit

There is a significant number of us that have been here for some time and use the SDMB as a hangout. I likened it to a corner bar in some post over a decade ago. There’s several groups really and some posters overlap a variety of the unofficial groups. But that is just one aspect of the SDMB and a part that grew organically.

The biggest group is probably the MPSIMS mumpers group. We got sports nuts in a backroom with plenty of TVs going. The loud ones are off in Great Debates. etc.

One part of disaster preparation is for everyone in the household, school or workplace to identify a gathering point outside the building to meet in the event of a fire or other disaster. That helps with identifying who might still be in the building and making sure everyone is safe. So I’m wondering if we should agree on a gathering place to meet in the event that this board suddenly and abruptly is unavailable.

Likely non-viable, huge chunks of posters will never agree with an alternative so it will fracture. At the end of the day when the board dies so does the community. Not everything lasts forever.

Horse Brass Pub, Portland Oregon.
First round is on me.

That’s a few hours’ drive for me so that would be plausible. :slight_smile:

Yeah, totally reasonable choice. I always forget where you are in Seattle, @Atamasama.

I imagined an online gathering point but a physical one might work as well.

Over at Mother Jones, David Corn has decided to publish a newsletter outside of the Substack universe. Announcement and reasoning here: https://twitter.com/ClaraJeffery/status/1405621405664743425?s=20

Some of it may dovetail with the concerns of the Chicago Reader and the Chicago Sun Times overlord.

The last time this issue came up, the Giraffeboards were the most common suggestion. That board was fairly new at the time, so most folks at least knew who Giraffe was even if they didn’t know or care about the schism.

Going there and looking around for familiar faces was sure my plan then. And for lack of a better plan is my plan now. It’s not nearly as good a plan in 2021 as it was in, say 2010. But I’m all ears for better ones.

Ref @Martin_Hyde just below your post, I was not then and I’m not now suggesting Giraffe is the long term answer for any of us, and certainly not for all of us. Instead it’s the equivalent of Uhura opening a hailing frequency. It provides a place where we could at least re-establish contact with folks we care about.

What am I doing right now? Forming a list of 50-100 folks I’d like to stay in touch with. Who I intend then to PM individually and provide my email, and solicit them to do the same. If I was already all over TwitFace I’d be pushing contact that way. But I’m not. So email it is for me.

“The community” won’t survive SDMB shutting down. Period, amen.

But my pen-pal friendships with at least some of the folks I’ve now yakked with for 20 years can survive. Provided I have some way to contact them after. And have written that contact info down somewhere outside of the PM thread itself.

I have active long-term PM one-on-one convos running with several Dopers. Some of whom I’ve exchanged off-board contact with.

And one who I had not, who has since departed SDMB without a trace and with no warning either. I don’t know enough live details about their life to track them down through Google. It feels like they just up and died. I don’t want to have that happen to a whole pile of my friends all at once. It’d be like they all died in a bus going over a cliff on the way to a party I was attending too. F*** that noise.

You’ve been served notice. Sooner or later, you’ll know if you made @LSLGuy’s cut or not.

There is the Facebook group. But then one loses their anonymity.

I will never, ever, ever go to the Giraffeboards. Not since I found out there was a group there conspiring to harass people here. Not since some of them not only started harassing me here, but also started sending me PM’s telling me to kill myself.

I’m fully prepared to hear “oh, it’s not like that” or “oh, it was just a few people”. It doesn’t matter how few, what matters is that they were abusive and cruel. Other members make excuses for the bullies and trolls. Why the hell would I ever want to go to such an evil morass?

And that’s why the Giraffe board will never be a substitute for this board. I wasn’t the only one targeted

If this board shuts down then this community ends. That’s the long and short of it. As it is, 20+ years is an extraordinary run for a forum on the internet.

Oh, it’s pretty much like that.

I’ve never been there. Never had a reason. Don’t know the url.

But this news suggests that’s not in fact a good place even as a hailing frequency. More like den of scum and villainy. If it became the “bad kid’s table” for many of the people who failed the SDMB “don’t be a jerk” test with obvious gusto, well f*** that.

I’ve had an account (same name) over there for years. It’s honestly not so bad. They make no secret of their dislike for certain posters. But I’m surprised by claims that they suggested a poster commit suicide. Often, when I start a thread here I post a duplicate over there to reach more people.

I’m just south of Kent.

Over on Reddit there is r/sdmb, where less than a handful of us are mods. It’s mostly a place someone might stop by to ask if the SDMB is down, but it could be a first-stop, at least. I didn’t create that sub, so I don’t know what it’s original intent was.

I’ll go to Oregon when I can pump my own gas! :expressionless:

Ooh, you’re making me sad.

I don’t feel I could post on the Giraffe Boards. I poked around recently and the balance seemed way more tilted toward negativity.

Not that we are doing that great here lately.