I blew up a Toastmasters group last night

Well, it happened again. Not so much an argument, but me laying it out to two captive Trumpers, this time about COVID.

The content writing is a bit slow given we are writing for February pub dates, and the period from December 20th-Jan 3rd is the busiest time for Uber, so have been driving a bit to make up for the other… and then some: I did $1k in Uber last week in 2.5 days work. (That’s my mortgage.)

Anyway, got a few airport reservations this morning, so I go pick up Terry and a woman who may have been his wife, may have been his mother… as a driver, that’s not a question one needs clarifying, though the temptation was real.

As I roll up, I see that Terry has his Christmas tree up and, in his front window, a Trump 2020 sign. As I always do, I have my classical playlist going and, since it’s early, I tend to select songs to snooze by - “Air on the G-String”, Pachebel’s Canon, really mostly a bunch of Bach and some Mozart (usually too peppy, though.)

Terry and his wife/mom come out, pulling suitcases. I put them in the trunk, make sure both people are in the car, and go. The suitcases told the tale, though I did verify: headed to the airport, about 15 minutes away.

Terry starts talking, doing the usual ‘exclaim how I didn’t expect an Uber so early + ask how long this guy has been driving’ two-step. He asks me ‘what do you do?’ (another common question), so I tell him I write, mostly stuff for corporate blogs, but I also have my own newsletter about current events and am working on a book about the family biz.

Having apparently been Foxed-up already, Terry immediately turns to the newsletter.

“What’s that all about?”
“It’s a newsletter about current events and economics, seasoned with a dash of catastrophic thinking.”
chuckles “You ever write about COVID?”
“Of course. Have two articles about it, at least. One is pretty short, about 1,000 words, the other is about 3,500 words.”
“Woah! Well, tell me, what do you think about all this?”

… when I talk to people, and I know I mentioned this on the Dope (possibly this thread), I prefer to do it from the frame of reference which they most accept. If I’m talking about a concept to a finance-minded person, for example, I try to frame the argument in terms of dollars and cents, cost and benefit, net present value vs future value, etc.

These people have already given me enough context clues as to which frame they will accept, so I go there. And it’s a short trip, about 11 minutes to the airport by this time, so I challenge myself to monolog the answer:

“I feel that COVID has been the great moral crisis of our age, and tens of millions have failed it.”

“Amen” (the only thing she said the entire trip.)

“You know, as a Christian… and, more than that, as a civilized member of Western Civilization, we are taught the following as basic rules of how we live our lives:” (and I start counting them out)

  1. Genesis tells us that God created the Universe and gave us dominion over it.
  2. According to the Greeks, the Universe can be measured and controlled, something our civilization proved in the Scientific and Industrial Revolutions. This car is an example of this.
  3. According to Jesus, the ultimate commandment is to treat thy neighbor as you would want to be treated.

“Terry, these are the fundamental rules of our civilization. This is how we achieved spaceflight and Christianity. And the moral failure I spoke of is the tens of millions who have rejected civilization, becoming effectively barbarians, as they deny both our science and our duty to each other as spelled out by Jesus.”

… looking at the GPS, I have about 8 minutes. Not doing badly, the arguments written by me so many times that I’d better be able to articulate them…

"You know, Terry, for a believer, it’s hard to deny that God struck the United States with a plague in the fourth year of Trump’s Presidency just as he struck the Egyptians with plagues during Pharoah’s time. God does not miss, and with 800,000 dead, it is hard to argue that we were not his target.

"So, imagine Terry, you’re faced with a plague and you belong to a religion which states you are being judged on your moral choices, the primary commandment being ‘did you do unto others as you would have wanted done to yourself’… and then you go anti-mask. Anti-Vaxx. Imagine standing before Jesus as he sits on the Throne of Judgement, running through a social media history full of anti-Fauci memes, ideological arguments poised as fake science, and mocking people as being fearful when they themselves are doing nothing but following Jesus’s commandment, that do unto other’s thing.

"So I wear my mask. I got my vaccines and boosters. I listened to the precepts of Western Civilization and to what my religion told me, and protected myself and other people. Because here’s the thing, Terry:

"We’ve had 30% of this country go pro-virus for malignant ideological reasons. And you look like a numbers guy, so here is what that means: Each fully infected body contains about 1 trillion COVID virons at peak infection. Multiply that times the number of people infected, say, 20,000,000. Do you know what twenty million times one trillion equals, Terry? I don’t, but I know that Omicron is the nineteenth letter in the Greek alphabet, meaning that all these chances those same immoral 30% keep giving the virus has now put us on our nineteenth variant of COVID-19. Nineteenth! And, who knows, Terry, maybe the twenty-second version will be the one which only infects 10% of the population… but kills 60% of those infected. And it will happen as long as we allow this thing to live and fester.

"Terry, think of it this way: there are 1 trillion wild animals inside every infected human, we know we have to kill these animals, and yet 30% of the population has taken the side of the COVID wolf. And those people, those barbarians who have rejected Western Civilization, are damned as far as I’m concerned.

“Like I said, I have thought and written about this a lot. Looks like we’re coming up to the airport… what airline?”

“Uh… Delta. But what about the fact it may have been manmade, in Wuhan?”

"I’m an Uber driver slash content writer in San Antonio Texas. God did not put me in a place to determine where or how the virus originated, the only thing I can do is use the teachings of my civilization and my religion to defeat this thing. Wear a mask. Get vaccinated. Treat others as if they are human too.

“And I believe we are here…”

We arrive, Satie’s Gymnopedie #1 playing because I have a wicked mind and knew they would never, ever, get the reference. They get out, she hands me a rather nice tip, and I text him a link to the newsletter, standing there next to the Delta drop off. We part our separate ways, and that was that.

That was masterful.

I’d have given a terrible review on Uber. Not for any of the COVID stuff, but I hate Pachelbel’s “Canon”. I was a viola player in high school.

For your pleasure…

Could be worse. You could be a cello player.

Don’t forget that they’ve skipped a few letters though (Xi and Nu).

I just learned that and came here to make the correction, thanks. And Omicron might be the 15th letter, what the hell, I was on a roll

That Rob guy is wrong, the viola part is worse.

rest-plink-plink-plink
rest-plink-plink-plink
rest-plink-plink-plink

For the whole. Damn. Song.

John Finnemore as Herr Pachelbel, invited to play at a nobleman’s party…and the hosts pretend to be familiar with his other works, but really just want “…perhaps a canon? Do you have anything in, say, D?”

“LOOK, I wrote it while hung over just to meet a deadline! NO, stop humming it! Do you have any idea how much of my life I’ve spent with that stuck in my head?!?” (paraphrased, it’s been a while)

(This is gonna be long, please don’t complain. My God.)

I sometimes think about the stories I tell and whether or not they believable, because I don’t see many here posting things like the following… but we all have had moments in our lives like this, right? Or am I just a performative drama queen, yet another supposed aggrieved white guy acting out ala a maskhole?

Because these things do happen to me. I did blow up a random group of Toastmasters. I did projectile vomit all over the Archbishop’s representative (Diocese of Atlanta) during my First Communion. I did quit the family business, bought out a competitor, and then launched bids at my parents clients for two years. My uncle did whip out his checkbook and offer to buy me (and my siblings) from my father.

And so on, to this morning. All this shit happens, even the following.

I got an impulse – I wanted to go to Mass. And I wanted to go to the church where Sophia altar-served for about 8 years, where she went to school for 6. Do some reminiscing.

Being raised a Catholic, my daughter going to Catholic school her entire life, I take a rather Pascalian view of the entire thing, understanding there are contradictions galore, but then, what is life but? Do I genuinely believe that I may be judged at the end of my days? Eh… probably not, but it’s better to act as such and, anyway, the golden rule itself… ‘do unto others’… isn’t an impossible standard to meet for a member of any faith or non-faith. It’s a fancy way of saying “Don’t be a jerk.”

Will also say that there is a strong strain of Calvinism running through my veins, likely brought about by my grandmother (who was raised in a Calvinist religion (can’t remember which, sorry!)) until she married my Catholic grandfather and converted. But she was just a Calvinist in Catholic clothing, and the one thing she passed on to me is no fear of passing, and verbalizing, judgement.

Which… yeah. This is on you, Grammy! :wink:

When I was going with my daughter and ex-wife, my longest-running issue with Catholicism was the sermons. After the 40th time of yet another flock/shepherd/sheep allusion made in the sermon, I had had enough. After 40 years of it, I had definitely had enough. Update your references, guys!

But, after the holy shit which was this morning’s sermon, I wish they had stuck to shepherds and cowherds and milkmaids and whatnots. For Prosperity Theology had come to Holy Spirit Catholic Church, and to my Calvinist/Catholic eye, as far as I am concerned, the priest who gave the sermon started spewing literal heresy.

… sidebar…

I get this is the Dope. We’re all smart and we want to show how smart we are. I don’t really care, however, if “prosperity theology” meets the strict Catholic definition of heresy. Feel free to start another discussion, I look forward to reading those contributions there, k, thx, bye.

… /sidebar…

I was sitting where you can see the circle (obviously not me – this was the best picture I could find of the church’s layout). The pews fan out from the altar, four sets of pews in the front, 6 in the back, all separated by aisles. Where you see the diamond on the floor – that’s the main aisle. There’s probably a word for it but IDGAF.

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Being the 8am mass, the church was about ¼ full and the ages definitely skewed upwards from the photo. Some parents of very young kids, but most of the crowd was elderly.

Ugh. Including myself I guess.

Mass starts, holy mother of God they actually put one of those signs up which told us what hymns were going to be sung. That means they must have gotten rid of Martha, who refused to do this. (This was another thing which bothered me – no guidance on the music selection for the day. Seriously, they wanted us to sing but refused to tell us which songs were going to be sung. Completely and utterly bizarre.)

The Gospel reading of the day is from Luke 12: 16-21, the Parable of the Rich Fool. It’s pretty short, so here it is:

It’s a pretty simple “you can’t take it with you” lesson, right? A lesson to go hand-in-hand with “it’s easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle”, “your lost son deserves an inheritance too”, “let’s get these damned moneychangers out of the Temple”, and other similarly-themed lessons given by this Jesus guy. Just did not like hoarding or hoarders, that is for sure!

We sit down (we have to stand during the reading.) Dramatic, 3-beat pause, then the Priest rises and sweeps his way to the dias, ready to dispense the Wisdom of the Ancients.

… at least, that’s how I’m sure he saw it. I saw a 50-ish white guy dressed in green walk to a podium.

I did not record it. Wasn’t expecting to, and having looked, the church does not broadcast or stream the 8am Mass, so I can’t reference the exact sermon. But I can recount the points made:

  • God is love
  • God does not punish. There is no judgement for your actions on Earth.
  • Why? Because God is love. He doesn’t judge. He just loves.
  • Also…
  • There are two banks. The ‘love’ bank of Heaven and whatever bank we have on Earth.
  • God is love
  • Each bank is independent of each other.
  • God did not mean for us not to be wealthy.
  • The man’s sin wasn’t that he concentrated on building wealth
  • His sin was that he didn’t make deposits into the Love account in Heaven
  • Had he merely loved, God would not have punished him
  • It didn’t matter how he made his Earthly deposits, he just forgot to make his heavenly ones.

I had had enough. This was nothing but bullshit MAGA-appealing prosperity theology, meant to do nothing but provide internal justifications for the Priests own sins and straying from Christ’s course, and I wasn’t going to sit there and listen to this crap. He is literally giving a sermon on what is really meant by that “but” in the last line above.

God doesn’t judge? Well, watch this!

I stood up, shaking my head back and forth in disagreement. He stops speaking. Walking forward, towards the altar, we catch each others eye. Keeping his gaze, I shook my head again and then turned left, proceeding towards the main aisle.

Completely silent now, even the children knowing something was different, I turned to head out of the church, still shaking my head. The usher was there at the door to the entranceway (there is an enclosed greeting area outside the main auditorium), I recognized him from Sophia-days. Knowing he was conditioned to respond (insurance sales training, yo!), I reached out my hand, 100% absolutely positive that he would clasp my hand in return… and by God, he did it, with me saying “Good to see you, Paul.”

I opened the door myself… sorry, Paul, but you just stood there… and walked to my car. I didn’t want to give those motherfuckers the satisfaction of looking back: I didn’t need to, the outdoor speakers, still silent except for the occasional cough, told the tale while I shut the car door and drove away.

So, you gonna go back next week and remonstrate, find another church, or find something else to do altogether on Sunday mornings?

My parents made a halfhearted attempt to inculcate me with Lutheranism but when I noticed that while they’d drop me off at Sunday school, they did not attend services themselves, I started my path away from religion.

Naw, like I said, I went back more to reminisce about The Kid than anything else.

Kinda telegraphed that one, there.

It wasn’t really coherent, but then, he had to twist the Gospel verse to match the message. The verses definitely show the man being punished!

Bravo. I’m sure Pope Francis would have a thing or two to say about that shitty sermon.

We get plenty of bullshitters on the SDMB. Your posts always seem pretty sincere to me.

Their website doesn’t suggest that they record any of their services. Maybe their FB page does, but I don’t feel like visiting it.

IANA Catholic but even I suspect that this would rank pretty low on the long, long, long list of “Things American Roman Catholic Clergy Do That Piss Off the Pope On A Regular Basis”.

:smiley:

Every Saturday morning I have breakfast with my friend Lacho. Lacho is a Hispanic, atheist, carpet cleaner who quotes German philosopher Schopenhauer- my kind of guy, in other words. Same age as me, we love to talk politics and the problems with the Republican Party, and he enjoys my approach, saying he could never get away with it as he would alienate half his customer base.

But…

But yesterday, Lacho found himself in the group with Greg, Vic, Tom, and all the rest. And the subject turned to immigration and Lacho, himself, had had enough. So he spoke, and while I cannot go into the details of his conversation, he adopted two rhetorical tricks I mentioned to him which is effective:

  1. He started quoting the Bible. Specifically, Matthew 25. Now, Lacho is an atheist, he doesn’t care for Christianity, but we discussed the value of framing our values in ways acceptable to people who don’t share them, and he decided “fuck it, I’m going to throw the Bible at these guys”.

They had no response. But then, it came back to Trump. So Lacho pulls trick #2:

  1. “Get out your phones. Look up illegal immigration by year. Tell me what you see”

Lacho gets them to go to this site:

(If you don’t want to click, it shows the number of migrants coming from Mexico to increase every year of the Trump administration.)

They were completely silent. Lacho said it was like nobody had ever pushed back against them before.

BUT THEN!

Greg: “Do you know JohnT” (guys, our interaction was over a year ago)
Lacho: “I don’t think so”
Tom: “Well, he came in here and he was ranting and raving. Literally stood up and lectured us. He was mad.”
Vic: “Yeah, it was obviously planned and staged too. No way he was able to say all he said without preparation.”
Greg: “I wrote to him on Facebook and he came back with some 1,000 word ranting response. I didn’t even read it.”

~Living rent-free in their heads since August, 2021~

So then I decided to address the issue with Lacho head on:

“Hell, yeah, I’m angry. Damn right I rant. I’m no politician, trying to maximize the number of people who agree with me, I’m more like…”

… and then I had to think because I was going to mention a name Lacho had never heard of…

"OK, let me back up here. In the 10th grade, that’s when we studied American history. One of the things we are taught about is a religious movement which struck the American colonies in the 1740s called “The Great Awakening”. Now, looking back, it’s kind of odd that this made it in the history books, but it does prepare one for the rest of the story, which is that much of the history of America revolves around white men getting either mad or greedy about something. The English. Slavery. Vietnam. McCarthyism. Steel. Oil.

And that’s what the Great Awakening was, people getting pissed off over things. The highlight of it was the sermons, hour long sermons, and they weren’t of the “God’s milk of kindness flows onto his flock” sermons, no, they were of the “You fucked up and are now fucked forever” variety, fire and brimstone sermons. The most famous of these, Lacho, was written by a man named Jonathan Edwards and his sermon was literally called Sinners In the Hands of an Angry God.

And so when those whiners complain about me being mad, you’re goddamned right I’m mad, and my madness follows the American tradition of righteous anger. I have no problem telling them they fucked up, and to be frank, I’m not surprised a year later my words are still ringing in their ears. These people are immoral in their laziness and I hope they felt excorciated. And Vic apparently is a moron who apparently never met an educated person in his life."

Lacho responds:

“You want me to tell them that?”

“Fuck no. I’ll be there this Friday.”

<… to be continued… >

…. And I’ll be checking the dope this Saturday….

j

So, were you there the next Friday?