Shaving your head is a much, much bigger deal than, “Hi! I’m RS, and my pronouns are he/him.” A month from now, my hair will still look weird, but no one will ever remember that I said what my pronouns are.
Your metaphors are seriously lacking.
Where did I say their methodology is bunk?
I thanked you for the link, looked at what appeared to be the relevant portion, but am not about to read the 80+ page document.
If 10% of high schoolers are actually trying to kill themselves, either I haven’t noticed a bunch of dead bodies lying around, or they need to examine the effectiveness of their chosen methods. Or maybe they are trying to accomplish something other than killing themselves.
Suicide is the third leading cause of death for high school students, accounting for one fifth of deaths in that age group. Lots of stats here:
30% of female students at least contemplated suicide at one point.
I don’t think the point is their success rate, but that they are attempting. Unless you’d care to articulate why it’s not something to be taken seriously?
Healthy people don’t attempt suicide (though “healthy” is different from “rational”).
Try growing up knowing that “normal” is unavailable to you. It’s rough, and there are circumstances that can make it really terrible.
But the numbers are sky high. 10% or so rounded between trans and cis people every year is astronomical. That would mean that if the stats were the same as when I was in high school, that out of my class of 60, there probably were 24 attempts when I was in high school, but none that were successful or that I heard about.
That’s 40%, which doesn’t seem to be reported by the stats.
Anyway, this seem to be off-topic (and I’ve contributed, sorry) other than, hey, maybe we can support a group that attempts or commits suicide at much higher rates than the general population by supplying our pronouns. Or, conversely, stating that I’m he/him in a situation with a lot of new faces is way too much of a burden.
Because they want to be seen. And constantly asking people to re-identify, adding additional hoops they need to jump through to re-identify, is not a value add to them.
Just the concept of “I’m going somewhere where I have friends” versus “I’m going somewhere where I have to wear a name tag.” Many people want to go where they fit in, where there are like minds, where people know them. Many people don’t want to constantly wear a name tag, and on top of it be required to wear the name tag more often and add additional items to the name tag.
I don’t follow basically any of this post, and I’m not sure who the “they” are in this, and who is constantly asked to re-identify. I don’t know anyone who constantly wears name tags. Basically, I have no idea what you’re driving at here.
Can you restate this?
Said it before, sometimes I entertain the temptation to just switch to “comrade” 
How long before Superman gets a Mx Mxyzptlk?
Or switch to Citizen, ala French Revolution.
“Citoyen Delirious” does have a nice ring to it. Aux armes!
One of my children is a board certified, U of Michigan fellowship trained Child and Adolescent psychiatrist. They specialize in adolescents. What they quoted a year or two ago to me is 7%. Their criteria may be slightly different than that study but they deal with trying to keep teenagers alive every day, in spite of parents or schools or society. BTW, that figure of 7% is from before the medieval red states started shutting gender care and politicians started making medical decisions instead of doctors and families. Pronouns and deadnaming can kill.
People in general do not want further intrusions into their private business, when they aren’t necessary. Constantly being asked to show ID, show papers, state your name. Being required to declare pronouns can be seen as another intrusion of this sort.
It is not necessary for you to know someone else’s pronoun preference. If they prefer not to say, that is their right. For any reason. Same reason that we went from Mrs. and Miss to Ms. Because the knowledge of knowing a woman’s marital status wasn’t relevant and including that sort of information implied that it was.
“Prefer to not say” is a perfectly valid answer to questions of gender or pronoun usage. It is not a positive or moral good to encourage people to reveal such information. You may include such information if you wish, but it’s neither good nor bad, just your preference, and you really shouldn’t be putting pressure on other people to conform to your wishes.
As far as I can tell, most or all people in this thread are for encouraging people to state their pronounse, but not requiring it, so I’m not sure who you’re directing this to.
ETA: Since you started with a reply to me, I’m certainly not for forcing people to declare their pronouns. I just don’t understand why it’s any sort of burden, and if it helps folks who have genders that are difficult to determine (or, much more common for me, foreign names where their gender is hard for an American like myself to determine), I don’t really see a downside.
We are in the midst of an unprecedented mental health crisis among adolescents. ERs are overflowing, mental health professionals are overtaxed, there are nationwide shortages unable to meet the new demand. Rates of depression, suicidal behavior, and self-injury have skyrocketed. The rates are particularly high among girls. It’s happening not just in the US but across the globe. But it doesn’t matter how much data you provide here, nobody will take it seriously.
Gosh. That’s really frightening.
I found this paper from the CDC about rates in 2021. (Maybe there are more recent ones – that’s the one that came up first when I googled.)
I like that the paper breaks it down into suicidal attempts vs needed medical intervention. The percentage of kids who made a suicide attempt was more than 13% for females and 6.6% for males (nomenclature used by the paper; no cis/trans breakout is done as far as I can tell); the percentage of kids who made a suicide attempt that required medical treatment was 3.9% for females and 1.7% for males. The number of deaths by suicide that year (I don’t see a place where it’s broken down by gender) was listed as 9 per 100,000 population (or about a 0.01% rate). So there must be a bunch of suicide attempts that don’t actually work, which I think is a lot of the disconnect here with people (including me, before I looked up the numbers) going “whoa, that number is hard to believe!” – a 10% suicide rate is unbelievable (which makes sense… because that’s not even close to the actual number) but I can see now that a 10% attempt rate (where most of them don’t succeed) might be all-too-believable (I imagine I don’t hear about the vast majority of attempts).
I didn’t attempt suicide when I was a teenager, or even make a plan, but I thought about being dead a lot, in a way that pretty clearly, years later, indicated that my mental health as a teen was not great. (As an adult, now that I don’t have to live with my family of origin… I have pretty great mental health, actually.) It’s awful to think that this is almost becoming a new normal.
Was this addressed to me? It isn’t clear.
All I was saying in my post was that I’ve never been asked for my pronouns (or been in a group where others were giving theirs) IRL. So, I’ve never had to do it. It’s an abstract concept for me.
If asked, I’d give mine with no problem. I’d just feel a little self-conscious.
@Dinsdale filled us in, but I wish you had taken the time to extract and post the relevant statistic. I clicked on the link, but when I used the find function to look for the word “suicide” in this 80+ page document, nothing came up. Obviously, that’s some kind of a glitch, but it’s kind of a waste of time to make every reader search, when the figure could have been included in your post.
It was to @Darren_Garrison