This is a bad thing, you know. If They are not like Us, then the fabric that is Us unravels and we can’t have that happen.
Since They are not like Us we can sit over here at the table after our Thankgiving meal and talk about Them. As They are not like Us They will not understand or care. I mean, We don’t have anything in common with Them, do we?
Do you think its ok We talk about Them that way? Yeah, I think so, too. And since We think it’s all right to talk about Them that way, We don’t see anything wrong with telling Them what We think. It’s all right, isn’t it? I mean, We agree that They are wrong. I don’t see anything wrong with telling Them what We think. After all, We are only being honest.
Have you noticed They are not listening? Are They ignoring the truth? Do They not understand that Their way of life is harming Our way of life? I think We need to get Their attention. I have an idea. They are building a cultural center over there, and it is not like the places We use as a base. We know that cultural center is wrong. That building does not reflect Our values. I think We should do something about Their values, because Their values are not Ours. I think We should write our values all over their building.
Well, this is bad. We have spoken amongst Ourselves about Their values, and they didn’t listen. And then We told Them about how wrong their beliefs are, and They didn’t listen then, either. And when we wrote Our thoughts all over Their building, they got mad and ignored us, and now the local media is telling Us that We are wrong.
This can’t happen!
Let’s burn down their building, because They are not paying attention to what We think and We are right!
Link Link Link I’m sorry…I can’t find an online link of the attempted arson at the new Somali Cultural Center here in town. Link
I think, if kniz is saying what I think he’s saying, that I agree with him. Don’t take this the wrong way, as I don’t mean it offensively, but I’ve never seen someone write so much without saying anything. What exactly were you trying to say chique?
And regarding Larry Mudd’s thread - I think it was a very good thread. Freedom of speach is a beautiful thing, even if I don’t like what people are saying. Do you think we should ban “hatespeach”? What’s next? Ban anti-government speach? Then we can forget about saying anything bad about religion, and so on and so on.
It’s like the old proverb: It’s best to open your mouth and uhhhh something about being a fool. Anyway, I say let hatespeakers speak, they’ll just be proving how ignorant and hateful they are and no one worthwhile is going to actually take to heart what they say.
chique
I posted in one of the linked threads. I spent a small amount of time wondering if you were flaming me. I don’t think you are, but I did check it out.*
I think I know what you’re saying, but I’m not sure.
*Checking it out is tough for me! Very tough!
I have a lousy dialup connection, and routinely get thrown offline. Checking out four links is murder for me at my computer!
Have mercy.
Clearly indicate what you are raving about.
Please!
chique, I’ll go along with the crowd and say that I am not sure of your point.
It almost seems as though you are leading through a progression of steps whereby people who express hate inevitably act on that hate and that, therefore, they should be prevented from the first step of expressing hatred.
In this, I would disagree and would be more in agreement with the article linked in Larry Mudd’s thread in your final link. I want people who hate to keep their hatred and prejudices out in the open where I can see them. (I know to watch my wife’s brother-in-law around my kids so that I can deflect his fairly regular stream of “coded” anti-black rhetoric. If he had been more circumspect about his prejudices, I might have been less careful about making sure that he was not ooisoning their minds.)
f you are simply ranting (this being the Pit) about the way in which some humans talk themselves into acting on their hatred, that’s fine, but that is not really clear from the OP.
Some of these responses have been interesting, but. . .
Eh. I was kind of typing “out loud”, as it were. But tomndebb:
is probably closest to what was going through my head as I typed.
Here’s what happened:
The aforementioned cousin was at it again yesterday and I called him on it. If I picked 10 Dopers at random to share a meal with my cousin and me, I think it’s safe to say that at least one of 'em would’ve backed me up in some way. This doesn’t happen in my family, though - I’m supposed to smile and nod and keep my trap shut. I’m not built that way, and it’s wearing to be accused of being the bad guy when I argue with my cousin for saying immigrants should be put on a boat and sent back home because every good American white boy does three times the work as any Somali at the local Fridgidaire plant.
Then I came home and was linked to malk’s thread which, added to the recent anti-immigrant acts around here and my conversation with my cousin, set me on edge.
I didn’t like the article because the author seems to be saying that being racist (and loud and proud about it) is an improvement over being racist (and quiet and subtle about it). I hold both in equal contempt and don’t think the former has any advantage over the latter. To me the author is saying “Vocal racism is good because we can debate and we know who are enemies are!”, and I call bullshit. There’s nothing to ‘debate’ about racism. (Not that I think hate speech should be outlawed; I’m too big of a Bill of Rights fan to even suggest that.)
Like I said, I was just typing. I don’t think talk inevitably leads to actions, but neither do I think an incident of violent gaybashing exists in a vacuum; it happens because not enough people called the perpetrators on their spoken words. IMHO.
Oh dear gawd NO!! I’ve seen your website. When I win the lottery, you get an all-expense paid trip to help me restore the woodwork in my villa in Spain. I gotta keep you on my good side.
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