I fear I'm about to lose my country

Nice sentiment, I prefer to envision you living long enough to dance on Milei’s and enabler’s graves, hydration status of such left to the reader’s imagination!

I’m sitting in the EZE airport in Buenos Aeres and the current Newsweek has a picture of Axel Kicillof. From what I can tell with my limited Spanish, he appears to be a potential rival to Milei. Is he a serious threat and in your opinion, would he be any better or would it be “Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss”?

He’s a serious threat insofar as there is one in the left, it remains to be seen if once the madness comes to it’s natural end (if it ever does) the voting public will decide that the problem was that Milei was mad and not that he was a far-right ideologue, and just goes with some more sane-looking slightly less openly far-right candidate.

As for being better, he’s probably the best alternative among the (IMHO) dismal field of possible alternatives (but I’m a pessimist).

Pros:

  • Squeaky clean (which is extremely rare among Argentinian politicians).
  • Progressive
  • Charismatic.

Cons:

  • Didn’t had a very good run as economy minister in a previous peronist government.

  • Is currently pushing a bondoogle of a reform on primary and secondary education (he’s the governor of Buenos Aires province) that’s openly hated by all teachers.

  • No Buenos Aires governor was ever elected president (one was president but only afer 4 previous office holders resigned in a week during the 2001 crisis), legends about a native-american curse notwithstanding this is probably because all the other provinces are very much not fond of “porteños” (even if we told them that porteños are the inhabitants of the CITY of Buenos Aires which is outside the province, with as much luck as an alabaman would have trying to explain here that he’s not a ‘Yankee’)

  • Milei’s currently trying to economically asfixiate the province to hobble his chances.

All in all, he may very well end up being president someday, his heart is in the right place, I just hope his political abilities measure up to the difficult task before him, both on winning the presidency and in using it effectively.

This seems to fit this thread:

Somewhat free translation:
“I receive mails from Yankee institutions saying things like 'We are still trying to figure out how our work will be affected by executive order xxx [Chainsaw action by the old orange man] and I’m like:”

Whelp

I’m seriously considering going to the next march (they march every Wednesday) if I can get someone to go with me, this kind of thing cannot be allowed to pass without protest.

You have all my sympathy. The pace with with Trump 2.0 is racing to the bottom means we’ll likely overtake you soon. Between the wife and I we’ve been to three marches since the election (not a lot, but it’s kinda cold in Colorado) and if I were to be painfully honest, there’s a lot of feeling of going against an unending tide and hopeless rage.

The Argentinian people have fought very hard, for a very long time to get where they are and seem (to this outsider’s eyes) more willing to fight for what they may be losing. Perhaps we USAians will do so as well, eventually, though at this rate, not before it’s far too late.

I think you may be overstating the resistance here and selling it short there, “we” did elect the idiots into office after all, and while we’ve made a bit more noise (we have Traditions after all) we’ve still haven’t got much success or even organized a somewhat efficient opposition.
It’s early days yet in the USA and the leopards haven’t yet eaten enough faces perhaps.

Give that many of the recently de-faced are still at the phase where they’re “wondering if they did right by voting for Trump” (see multiple examples in the Leopards eating faces thread) even as their spouses are deported… well, I’m terrified at how many faces it will take to get there. And meanwhile, the elected Democrats are doing a truly lousy job of fighting back IMHO.

Maybe, just maybe, we’ll get to fighting shape before any mechanism to fix the issues are fully neutered, but… yeah, not a lot of hope.

In that they are similar to the opposition here, except that the selling out is far more obvious here, thus far one can believe that some Dems are just timid or too used to “business as usual” to effectively fight back.
The peronist senators that approve Milei’s laws have been bought, some with promises for their provinces and some outright bribed with actual money.

I hope your view is the correct one. I’m instead looking at various state legislatures where a “Democrat” wins, and then flips to (R) to give supermajorities and the like. Sure, some of the Democrats are absolutely too used to “business as usual” but I’m seeing too many hints that the rot is growing on even the “principled” side of our elected representatives.

Arrrgh. Enough, this is about your legitimate concerns about your nation, not mine. I apologize.

No need to apologize, at this point the concerns are global, we were just the third or fourth canary in the coal mine (the first was Brexit, the second Trump’s 2016 win, I may be missing others)

Thank you. But we’ve got about a bajillion “USA going fascist” threads, and ONE for Argentina. I think other than some minimal comparing and contrasting I should be able to contain myself.

Happy Birthday (or now-belated birthday) there @Frodo!! A small bright spot in the general gloom.

It’s a bigger coal mine than I thought.

Somehow I missed this, thanks!

Last wednesday I couldn’t go to the march, a friend of mine covered for me :slight_smile: , anyway no police violence, this time, but my friend seemed sad, he seems to think that too few people assisted.

Today is another aniversary of the last coup on March 24, 1976, so I’m going to the march with my mom, like last year, I think it’s important to not let them wear us out.

Do you think people are getting complacent about the situation?

I fear that the strategy is to tire us out, I’m not sure if it’s working or not, but I’m going to try and go to every demonstration and march I reasonably can.

Argentina has seen worse times. This photo essay mentions some of them, which I include only to balance other articles which praise Milei’s economic experiments.

The fear is that we are walking zombie-like into similar times, the economic policies are already here, can the rest be too far?
That’s why we need to make sure everybody knows there are lots of people against this whole thing, even if the unions and the political opposition seem asleep at the wheel.