Which relatives in the military? While you might convince some in the Navy to turn against the supremely popular new Emperor – the man who is beloved, who saved the Galaxy from the evil Jedi Count Dooku – you’d have no ground forces, as all ground forces were clones, and all clones were loyal only to the Emperor.
In Episode III, in a cut subplot, we see a handful of Senators beginning the work of forming the Rebellion. They have to be careful, though, because there’s never been a leader more popular than Emperor Palpatine. He is beloved.
I don’t see how a Lava world is out of place in Star Wars.
A Jedi can’t defend himself/herself from an attack they can’t sense coming. Do you want to go into the reasons why they couldn’t sense the clone attacks?
And even when they do defend themselves, they can only do so much, as seen in Episode II.
Kendo.
Cheesy, but appropriate for the genre.
In his defense, he had the good taste to put on a hood.
It was fanservice. So? Why not wink to the fans every now and then? Chewie’s 250 years old, it’s not like it’s a continuity problem.
God, that exchange made me want to die. They were okay, however, in two scenes: their first meeting at the Senate, after he saves Palpy, and on Mustaffar. The rest was predictably dreadful.
Her pregnancy was all over the map in terms of obviousness and/or visibility. Poorly handled.
Apologies. My closing line was really stupid. I might have well put “Resolved: This movie is crap.” :smack:
As for the rest of my post, this is a pit thread about how bad the new star wars movie is. I was sharing the things that ruined the movie for me. Kinda figured that it was on topic. I’m not forcing anyone to read this thread or standing in front of the theater with a picket sign that says “George Lucas is a punk.” You had to have known what you were getting into in this thread after page 1.
Spectrum, if you don’t care what I think, you may feel free not to reply to my posts. Simple as that.
No need to rationalize it. Yoda and Mace explicitly state in Ep. II that their ability to use the Force for scrying is diminished and that it is a dark side user–presumably a Sith Lord–that is doing it. By Episode III, they have come to suspect that Palpatine is a Sith, but his popularity and the needs of the ongoing war have limited their ability to act on it. Plus, moving against the Chancellor is treason, and they’re not going to do it unless they know for sure he’s a Sith.
No need to rationalize it. Yoda and Mace explicitly state in Ep. II that their ability to use the Force for scrying is diminished and that it is a dark side user–presumably a Sith Lord–that is doing it. By Episode III, they have come to suspect that Palpatine is a Sith, but his popularity and the needs of the ongoing war have limited their ability to act on it. Plus, moving against the Chancellor is treason, and they’re not going to do it unless they know for sure he’s a Sith.
That seems sketchy to me. If they ever actually specifically suspected that Palpy was a Sith lord, ie, his name ever came up on the whiteboard when they were brainstorming possible Sith lords, it seems to me that the implications of that would be SO horrifying that they would HAVE to move to confirm or deny their suspicions, even if there would be political fallout. That is, the drawback of showing up at an innocent guy’s apartment with 10 jedi masters with light sabers, and using the old 'these aren’t the droids you’re looking for" trick to determine whether he’s a Sith lord, then apologizing profusely and leaving, is MUCH less than the drawback of NOT doing so if he IS a Sith lord.
Although Mace Windu’s “then our worst fears have been realized” line does somewhat seem to contradict my theory.
Yes, I believe Mace’s line is textual evidence for my theory. Also notice that as soon as they have confirmation of Palpatine’s identity (from Aanakin, not coincidentally) they immediately act to overthrow him. Remember also that Dooku told Obi Wan in Ep. II that the Senate was under the control of a Sith. The conversation must have gone something like this:
Obi Wan: Dooku told me the Senate was under the control of a Sith.
Mace: That’s presposterous! Palpatine is our leader and a good man.
Yoda: Still, much it would explain.
Mace: That’s true, but Count Dooku is a liar, and if he said it, it’s a lie.
Yoda: Meditate on this, we must. For signs of Sith influence in the Senate, wary, we must be.
Mace: Perhaps young Skywalker could keep an eye on Palpatine for us…
IOW, it’s sarcasm and I just “didn’t get it”? I don’t think so. Come on, it’s not like Lucas never borrowed shots from other movies in the original Star Wars, it’s just that he borrowed them from other directors and that film wasn’t the glorious masterbation fest that this one was.
Yeah, well, I wasn’t real thrilled that Nemesis was simply The Wrath of Khan with the serial numbers filed off.
Yeah, okay, pal. Show me one instance where a movie prior to Star Wars had a giant space station capable of blowing up a planet.
But only about minor stuff, besides, it’s a bit harsh to walk up to someone and say, “Oh, yeah, you know that guy that locked up in the Death Star and tortured you for hours on end? He was really your dad. Oh, and by the way, I’m your brother. Remember french kissing me a couple of months ago?”
Yeah, but if you already control the galaxy, what makes you think that you’re going to need a giant weapon to smash everything with? I mean, you’ve already had enough hubris to think that you’re the greatest thing since sliced bread, why should you think that no one else is going to believe that?
A. I didn’t bring the B2 into this. B. The technology we’re dealing with is centuries more advanced than anything the US has, so they ought to be really good at fabricating things in a short time. C. It always pissed me off in Star Trek that replicators couldn’t be used to make starships, even though they could make everything else.
Well, the fact that it was fully operational, though not structurally complete indicates to me that it was more than a simple trap. After all, if you’ve gone to the trouble to build the thing, why not use it more than once? The next time a planet even gets the least bit snippy, you can vaporize them, without the bother of having to send in a bunch of ground troops, and spend an annoying amount of time waiting for them to wipe out the population.
Which begs the question of why the hell Luke cares about Leia’s “real mother” at that particular time. Oh wait, maybe it’s because he just found out she’s his sister, and he’s curious about his mother?
I suppose you could argue that Leia mistakenly assumes that Luke means the first Lady Organa, and responds in kind, but considering that this is never mentioned anywhere else, I think that’s a stretch. Occam’s Razor would apply: more likely, Lucas just forgot (or chose to disregard) the original plan of having Padme go with Leia.
So? A commander willing to sabotage his own ship at just the right moment can turn the tide of battle.
Wait, you’re dragging something in that didn’t make it into the film to make a point, and you’re bitching about me talking about things that weren’t in the film? Sorry, it doesn’t work that way.
And you know, Lucas could have fixed all that fairly simply. All he would have had to do was have Luke say something like, “Leia, about your parents.” Leia responds with, “Which ones? My real ones or my adopted ones?” Then you pick up with Luke asking about her real mother. It only yakes a couple of seconds of dialoge, and no more plothole. At least not until we get to RotS. If Lucas had put the kind of effort into his story that he put into his effects on this movie, it would have been one of the greatest films ever made.
Tuckerfan, do you really think Lucas had the granular level of dialog and story for RotS written when RotJ was being filmed? You really can’t say Lucas should have changed Luke’s dialog; it’s twenty years old. The proper thing would have been to fit events around RotS to fit the dialog in RotJ.
spectrum, why are you defending Lucas so fervently. The best Star Wars movie was one (of two - the other was spoiled by Ewoks and piss-poor writing) he didn’t direct, because he can’t direct. He gave us some larger than life SFX when there was nothing in the movie theater even close and created some fun movies. But to argue that he’s Wells, Coppola, Scorsese, Capra, Tarantino and Speilberg all rolled into one tells me that the fantasy world you live in is even more fantastic than the one Lucas created.
