I found out over this past weekend, my name is listed in the Epstein Files

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I didn’t work in high finance……I had a really small company that sold, laid out and programmed very expensive and high end home automation systems. I worked in New York City and a lot of my clients were in finance, I’ve worked for Jamie Dimon, Wilbur Ross, Marc Rowan, Carl Fink, Ian Schraeger, Ken Griffin and many others….names that are meaningless to most people

I was a little more circumspect about my profession when I was working, because I was in such a specific field, but I’ve been retired for years and have no more fucks to give.

I never worked for Epstein, thank God…but I’m sure someone in a similar position to me showed up in that address book. I worked for the family that lived across the street from them, deposed royalty married to an American heiress, and they were in the address book.

People like me got caught up in the Manafort/Russia thing, I know some guys that worked for Manafort and they had the FBI all over their offices because of all the checks they had received from his shell companies.

Anyway , my take on Epstein is that there wasn’t really a big blackmail operation. It’s just that there are all these super rich guys in finance that, despite their wealth, couldn’t figure out how to make wild parties with teenaged girls happen and Epstein could make that happen if they “invested” lots of money with him. So they did. It’s super disgusting.

And they’ll get away with it, their names are still redacted and I doubt any serious effort was made to truly investigate anyone, they probably just asked them if they’d ever had sex with an underaged girl, they said no and that was the end of it. It’s like when an SEC investigator, years before Madoff was busted, was investigating a complaint against Madoff. He asked Madoff for his investment license number (which he didn’t have). Madoff gave him a made up number and the investigator never ran it.

Frankly, the whole thing reminds me of a more disgusting Madoff, where every single high level investor absolutely realized that Madoff was a fraud - they just didn’t realize he was defrauding THEM.

People knew this was happening, they just pretended they didn’t,

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Yeah that was my take on it as I learned of it. He identified an “added value”. And Maxwell’s family’s contacts in the media/philantropy world enabled them to reach out to celebs to give a cover of legitimacy.

At a certain level, for a certain kind of people, things like this become “normalized”. Better just smile and get along, they’re getting away with it anyway and you still may have to do business with one of these bastards again some day.

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And most of them didn’t really know he was doing something illegal. I doubt they were having sex publicly, at the parties. And i work with college kids, but i can’t tell a 17 year old girl from a 19 year old girl just by looking at them.

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I’d expect most of the people in the files are legitimate business contacts or people that worked for companies that considered Epstein a client.

Imho Epstein’s ego caused him to seek out politicians and celebrities. It made him feel important.

The circle of people that knew his shady, criminal side would need to be pretty small. Otherwise somebody would have reported his activities to the authorities.

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Not just them. Left wing over-reactors too. In one recent thread we talked about Dinocon banning anyone who had “an allegation of any correspondence with Epstein”. Several posters thought that was a great idea, ban all those child rapists.

Yep. oh maybe they could find out that he had been convicted sometime ago, and done his time. But we usually mostly forgive people like that.

According to some, everyone on the list is either a “child rapist” or adjacent to one. :roll_eyes:

Releasing the list turned out to be a bad idea.

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Um, after his first conviction, everyone knew. I wouldn’t invite a person who continued to socialize with Epstein to a residential event, like a convention, either.

But there are people in those files who had business relations with his firm (like @Ann_Hedonia could have) or who interacted with him before the conviction.

Read that thread about Dinocon again. They aren’t excluding anyone whose name pops up, just people who interacted with the man after his conviction.

I’m not seeing that. Yes, it will lead to some chatter. But the police have the data in context, not just a list of names. And I’m pretty sure that @Omar_Little won’t be excluded from Dinocon from what he’s said here.

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I was chatting to an acquaintance when he casually mentioned he had been convicted with Assault with a Deadly weapon. (long ago- he was drunk-he no longer drinks- and someone tried to pick his pocket in a dark bar, so he hit him with a beer bottle, then kicked him a few times when down- he served no real time, except 'time served" and some other stuff- the “pickpocket” claimed it was just a prank, and was a buddy of the bar owner). Why would I know such things unless I ran a background check? Sure for a baby sitter, i would, but just for a guy who played a couple of D&D games with?

Yes, if your name was in the files as having been alleged to have corresponded with E after his first conviction. I dont buy either “alleged” or “corresponded”. Either someone partook of E’s island and his parties, etc- or they they were just “alleged” or once sent him a letter or email, which could include “Rot in hell”.

The police yes, in fact most legal experts have said there is nothing there that could lead to a sex related conviction. Does that matter if your name is mud and people shun you?

According to their rules, yes Omar_Little would be. Doesnt matter the nature of the correspondence, just that it is alleged to have occurred- after that date.

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Everyone knew about Epstein because it was all over the news! Everyone knew who he was and what he had done. A lot of correspondence from others to Epstein refers directly to those charges.

And let’s be honest, a lot of people knew what he was doing but valued their careers or the perks of knowing Epstein more than they valued those girls. So it goes.

We have a convicted rapist in the family. We don’t talk to him. It’s not that hard to ignore rapists.

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Um, no. Their rules said:

People alleged to have corresponded with Epstein after his conviction, not anyone whose name was in his Rolodex. Further, I’m pretty sure that if you were alleged to have corresponded with him, and could produce decent evidence that you hadn’t, they’d let you in.

Fwiw, i once faced a similar situation. One of our square dancers was convicted of a sex-related crime, and showed up at a dance with an ankle bracelet, because he had to wear it for his parole.

I researched his side of the story, and her side. It was complicated, and he might have been innocent (morally , if not legally.) I decided that my job wasn’t to render a verdict on what had happened, nor to punish him. My job was to protect my dancers at events i organized. So i told him he was welcome to continue coming to our evening events. But i also removed him from the invitation list to a weekend event. Because i didn’t think he was a risk to the other dancers at the evening event. But he might have been at the weekend.

Dinocon is like the weekend. They ought to keep their participants safe

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I read somewhere (no cite) that Forrest Gump was mentioned three times in the Epsteil files. And Jonathan Pie (3:07 mark, but I let start at the beginning for your enjoyment) says that the current Prime Minister of the UK is not mentioned a single time. You’re good by that measure.

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Whoa there, ISTM that only really works for certain definitions of who is “everyone”. I know that 10 years ago for instance I could not have told you who TF was that guy.

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Exactly what I said-

Yep, his name didnt get famous until the whole thing about the island, and VIPs going there.

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Personally, I’m a lot more concerned about your role in Stringer Bell’s murder.

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Who? What?

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I didn’t know who he was, either, but the chances of me being possibly involved with him was statistically indistinguishable from zero.

The assumption is that “everyone” would be the people who would have the chance to be involved.

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Yes. One of the things that is clear is that in a lot of cases where Epstein had correspondence with people, they referred to his conviction in the email, usually to downplay it, offer him sympathy and encouragement, discredit victims, and make crude jokes about women. These people weren’t ignorant about what he’d done. They were enablers. If you’re in Epstein’s orbit (by which I mean regular correspondence, meeting him regularly, asking him for favors) of course you are going to know what he did. Even if you didn’t see it in the papers, people gossip. Many of those people almost certainly knew what we he was doing.

Exactly!

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I’m pretty sure that everyone who corresponded with him, even his plumber, knew about his conviction.

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I doubt that if we include one-offs or near one-offs (like a couple of e-mails initiated by outside referral over a couple of weeks one year). But anyone who corresponded with him regularly over any extended period of time, I’d agree. Basically the longer and more regular the communication, the less benefit of the doubt I’d extend and it wouldn’t take much.

Fishing for grant funds multiple times? Maybe the first communication or set of communications you might get a pass. But if you hadn’t done your due diligence by the second time, that’s on you.

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I disagree. I know that if I had gotten a e-mail in 2015 from some woman named Ghislane Maxwell asking me to perform work at the Epstein Residence on East 71st, I would’ve written them back, giving them a fee schedule and some available time slots.

I would’ve seen no need to research the owners, I probably would’ve done the work without knowing the owner’s first name was Jeffrey. And even if I had a full name, it wasn’t like the Florida arrest was common knowledge.

When I did new construction jobs for the ultra-wealthy set, about half the time I didn’t even know the name of the owner until the job was near completion - a lot of time the contract documents just said PRIVATE RESIDENCE with an address, and you weren’t supposed to ask because it wasn’t supposed to matter.

Now, would I have done work for him if I’d known? I’m not sure. If I had been contacted directly by him or Maxwell, probably not. But that’s not how I usually got work, it would be more likely that I would get a call from an architect or a builder asking me to do a favor and help their client out - and it might have been really detrimental to refuse.