I had no idea Victoria Jackson was such a nut.

About 50% - which is far better than any other time period.

I highlighted the relevant answer.

Yeah, there’s some mighty hipocricy there, simultaneously ranting about liberal celebrities vocalizing their political opinions and at the same time clinging to anyone with an ounce of audience awareness.

:eek: “But Iranians and Contras don’t count.”

What’s wrong with that?

Really? I didn’t know conservatives were into the care and feeding of bir. . . Ooooh!

She was also in I Love You to Death, a favorite film of mine — though that’s been tarnished a bit after reading this thread.

Hmmm. Co-owner of Toonces?

Hey, I wonder how he’s doing these days.

Making Geico commercials.

Was she actually high at the time, though? (I couldn’t watch the video)

(IIRC, Alan Thicke once told Kirk that if Growing Pains was too blue for him, he needed to rethink his priorities)

The big conceit of faking something that’s inherently not rehearsed and full of smugly delivered soliloquies? Real rants are in 99% of cases unentertaining and certainly usually uneloquent. Occasionally they are eloquent in a crazed way (some politicians are capable of convincing or convincingly-simulated, and truly extempore outrage). So when there’s nothing of the extempore eloquence of a true maniac rant, and nothing of the truly memorable and powerful emotion and cadence of the few authors who have been able to write really moving and interesting soliloqies (tell me a line from a Miller “rant” that anyone remembers as well as one of twenty Shakespearean soliloquy quotes we could think of), you just have a smug guy reciting a string of faux-outraged political and pop culture opinionoids.

IMHO.

Artifice is not illegitimate in either entertainment or satire.

I’m not aware of any definition of the word “rant” that includes “spontaneous.”

First, I want to say that while I enjoy Glee I do feel kind of weird about defending it. I am aware that in many ways the show is quite bad.

That said, I think you’re missing why people think the Kurt character is “something positive”. It’s not because American television has, at long last, dared to present a gay male character as having a high-pitched voice and enjoying musical theater, fashion, and interior decorating.

  1. Kurt is an out gay teen character portrayed by an actual out gay teen. Actor Chris Colfer is now 20, but he was 18-19 during the first season of Glee. While he’s hardly the first gay man to achieve success in the world of entertainment, I think it is nice for gay teens to know that an openly gay man just a little older than they are is starring in a popular TV show.

  2. Kurt’s father is a great character. He’s a “Joe Sixpack” type who initially seemed like he wouldn’t be accepting of his son’s sexual orientation, but has turned out to be very supportive. He’s willing to learn about Kurt’s unmacho interests, and does his best to protect him from discrimination and bullying. He’s not a pushover though, and will call Kurt out when he’s behaving badly.

  3. Kurt has not been relegated to a comic relief role, nor his problems to a single Very Special Episode. (On Glee practically EVERY episode is arguably a Very Special one, but Kurt has been involved in multi-episode story arcs.) He’s one of the lead characters on the show. Kurt tends towards Pet Homosexual at times, but the show has always made it clear that life is not a bowl of laughs for a gay teen with a high-pitched voice who enjoys musical theater, etc. He’s been the target of violence at school, and the faculty have been unwilling or unable to do much to help him.

  4. At the same time, Kurt’s life hasn’t been portrayed as unrelentingly grim. He has friends and family who care about and accept him, and he’s confident in his abilities and willing to stand up for himself even when he fully expects to get his ass kicked. After much loneliness and frustration, and having learned a few lessons about appropriate behavior, he even gets a boyfriend – and they KISS, just like all his friends do with their own boyfriends or girlfriends.

If none of this really seems like that big of a deal, then that may be the most important part of it all. We’re now past the point where any of this seems shocking or attracts any great controversy. Two teen boys share a romantic kiss on a popular primetime network TV show, and the reaction has mostly been happiness about a long-awaited plot development. I’ll freely admit that the set-up didn’t even make much sense – it involved, of all things, a dead canary – but I was still making little first pumps in the air when it happened. “THEY KISSED” started trending on Twitter, not “OMG GROSS THEY ARE GOING TO HELL”. The biggest “celebrity” willing to denounce this moment is Victoria Jackson, who wasn’t a huge star even in her prime and is currently outshined by the likes of Rebecca Black.

Maybe you reached this point long ago in the UK, but as an American I wasn’t sure of it here until it actually happened.

Just watched the video. That’s pretty much how she has behaved all along.

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His sister was on the news earlier today though I only caught part of it and wasn’t really listening. Quick google shows… She had her meth smoking Growing Pains co-star expelled from her wedding many years ago and somehow it’s relevant today.

Well, that site appears to be some celebrity show biz hack, with a show called “Naughty but Nice”. The interviewer apparently is a gossip queen, and pretty much used his opportunity to talk to Candace Cameron as a chance to dig dirt. So it’s not her fault the guy is a jackass. She did her best to downplay and change the subject.

Yes, way back at the wedding, apparently Jodie Sweetin was a methhead and was on something enough that she was carried out from the wedding. That was years ago.

:eek::slight_smile:

Where are you getting your definition of “rant”?

Hey, I’m thoroughly aware his “rants” were crafted scripts he massaged and memorized for comedic effect, and he wasn’t that heated about most of it. But his act, his schtick, was crafting observation humor in the form of emotional tirades against some injustice or bad behavior or pattern of thought he wanted to highlight. So he framed his material as “rants” instead of “monologues”, kinda like some of John Stewart’s bits. Nowadays, people like that write a blog and Facebook it to all their friends, who block them so they don’t have to read the nonsense.

Persactly.

MY subconscious inserted Dennis Miller? The king of Rant would truly know!

I caught a couple of minutes of an episode of Kirk Cameron’s show, Way of the Master, one of the most hysterically homoerotic shows on TV, while channel surfing last night. Actual quote:

Again, that’s an actual quote. Then he said words to the effect of (the only reason they’re not exact is I don’t remember them word for word but they were no less loaded than this)

His Kiwi pimp was of course furiously nodding the entire time.

This is how all comedians construct an act, dude. They rehearse the bejeezus out of their acts to the point that they can express them with an air of emotion and affected spontanaiety.

Okay, he did poorly on MNF, and he’s way past his prime now, but Miller was a very talented and funny standup.

Bumped to share the Funny or Die take.

You may not agree with Miller but he can be clever and funny at times which makes him more impressive than 99% of what’s out there.

The clip is just sad. She genuinely seems unwell and should not be allowed out unsupervised.

Sinful sins are sinful. Heh.

Damn, that’s pretty sad.

Because it was Brittany and Santana. :smiley: