I meant in terms of ( what would be the term ) group politics, for lack of a better way of putting it. buttonjockey308 made Obama’s victory to be a victory for black people, and it’s not; no more than Queen Victoria ascending the throne was a victory for women. It’s a victory for Obama, alone.
The passing of this law, and the ones in California and Arizona are a blow against homosexuals as a group. To change the context slightly, would this be a net victory for blacks if Obama was elected but marriage between black people outlawed ? What’s more important to them as a group ?
It’s not that the election of Obama is a “victory for black people” in and of itself; it’s that it’s emblematic of a victory that already took place - the very fact that Obama could become President.
(And so, much to my surprise, did my 91 year old, moderately religious mother. She’s probably the only one in the condo that did though, judging from the results.)
Yeah? Well, I claim it too. People didn’t understand why the hell I’d stay in the South and move back home to South Carolina - if you give up, if you leave and say fuck 'em all anyway, then you haven’t done your damned duty to help. I’ll stay and make it better - you just sit there in the corner and bitch.
Hell, as of a few months ago we can buy beer at the grocery store on Sunday. If that ain’t change I don’t know what is. Baby steps.
Well, the gay rights movement was inspired by the black civil rights movement, and given that we’ve finally got an African-American in the White House, change will surely come. Perhaps not in a year, perhaps not in two years, but just as a stone pushed down the side of a mountain gains momentum, so too will change. And I gotta say, we pushed one helluva big rock down the mountain! I look forward to seeing the expressions on the nutters faces as the rock bears down on them.
Actually, I’m not in your country, and I’m saving my money to head to Europe or Scandinavia because we’ve also just elected a so called left leaning PM who not only is standing up for the ‘true meaning of marriage’, but is about to enforce censorship of the internet.
This is the third thread I’ve seen you say that there are “honest, decent,” or “reasonable” reasons to support a gay marriage ban, but I’ve yet to see you actually suggest what some of those reasons might be. Do you actually know of any such reasons? Can you share them with us here?
I think you’d get much further asking why the kids would be gay just because the parents were gay. I mean, my mother likes show tunes, and I like Sepultura.
Or better yet, point out that if gay parents make gay kids, then straight parents should make straight kids. And yet, we still have all these gay people around, virtually all of them raised by straight parents…
Oh, every time I have this argument (and I have it a lot, and have for several years), some study is usually alluded to that is never actually produced.
