And the alien autopsy, you can’t forget the alien autopsy!
That was not FoxNews, it was Fox Network.
A) Conpiracy theories are entertaining. Hence, 9 years of The X-Files.
B) The lack of deformation on the bullet means little. That was an Italian military-surplus round. Modern hollow-point handgun ammunition, designed specifically to expand when it hits something, occasionally does not. And that is with modern quality control, manufacturing methods, etc. Ammolabs.com has some comparative tests, and you’ll note the occasional rebel round that does not want to expand.
Doc Nickel: No, not the whole thing. It started at frame 150 and went to maybe 330. I found it online at www.jim-garrison.com.
I don’t understand this, mipsman. The fact that he bought the rifle under a fake name (A. Hidell) doesn’t diminish the incompetent image. It’s not like Oswald did a thorough job of covering his tracks- the P.O. box to which the rifle was delivered was in Oswald’s own name, for example. The rifle was tied to him very fast. He didn’t create great details or set up a phony life for the alias, didn’t do anything to demonstrate some great skill that’s not in keeping with the fact that he was a screwup. He just used it to buy the rifle. It’s not like he had a background in intelligence work.
By the way, morbid curiosity found me renting and watching Oliver Stone’s JFK late the other night. What an atrocious, factually inaccurate smear piece. Stone’s lucky that everyone he implicates is dead (Clay Shaw, David Ferrie, Eladio del Valle, Lyndon Johnson, etc.) or he’d have deservedly been sued and been forced to admit that what he didn’t make up, Garrison did.
I am in the middle on this one. Both sides make great cases.
I think, however we will learn a lot in the next 10 years. If a conspiracy---- it would have to be a very large one with a lot of people keeping their stories to themselves.
(pretty plausible actually–considering how many mysteriously died who had knowledge within a very few years. I admit I am a chicken. If I knew anything I would keep my damned mouth shut about it. Wouldn’t you?)
But a lot of these people will be dying of old age pretty soon. And there does come a time for death bed confessions–not for money or fame, but to clear consciouses)—what you got to lose anyway?
I say the case is still open. Let us see what develops in the next 10 years.
If you’ve been following along with the thread so far, it should come as no surprise that the long list of “mysterious deaths” is basically a pack of lies.
Just to give this thread some appropriate closure…how come after 40 years, nopsychic has ever channelled/contacted the shades of Oswald, JFK, or Ruby?
Seems like a few minutes of channelling could yield a whole lot of answers…of course, I can see JFK and Jon Connoly argueing even now: “It was ONE Bullet, dammit”!!
Minty—
That explanatory list of “mysterious deaths” left out the age at death except in those cases where it supported the idea of natural causes. Any reason for that? It would be interesting to know at what age all those people died.
Granted that outlandish original odds statement against so many dying was bogus. But what are the true odds?
In any event, even if so many mysterious deaths is truly just an urban legend, it would still have a chilling effect on those who might know something but would be afraid to tell until their deathbed.
I still say, give it another 10 years and see what develops.
Meh, not really that interested in digging up ages of death, since (a) the vast majority of the people on that list have no more of a connection to the assassination than anyone else on the planet (try that “Six Degrees of JFK” thing sometime); (b) it’s a damn slow conspiracy that takes decades to kill the witnesses who might spill their guts at any moment and expose the truth!!!; © there are tons of people alleged to have been up to their necks in the conspiracy, even people who’ve confessed to participation or actual knowledge, who are still alive or who lived to ripe old ages with no problem whatsoever; and (d) the people working so diligently to expose the conspiracy are permitted to theorize to their hearts’ content.
Forgot to ask:
And if there’s still nothing in 10 years, will you concede there was no conspiracy?
Lord knows I’m looking forward to another concession this week.
disponibilite:
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The “Mysterious deaths” list did not really pop up until 1983. That 20 years to come forward. A smaller list produced in 1967 was not very popular and didn’t get much notice.
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Very few on the list had anything to do with the assasination. The list was made up out of the hundreds of people who were vaguely involved in some way: editor at Life magazine, Dallas deputy sherrifs, a chemist in the FBI fingerprint section who never touched the JFK case, etc. etc. Some of the names include people like Ferrie and Shaw, whose only involvement was in Jim Garrison’s nutty imagination.
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Those who you would think would be targets are not: Conspiracy authors, witnesses like Jean Hill, even Jim Garrison. They were still alive despite being the most likely target.
I doubt seriosuly that anything else is going to happen in the next 10 years. Every decade we get the promise that things are going to pop up and prove a conspiracy. In 1993 we were told of classified documents that would blow the lid off the case and pressure was brought to bear to have the documents declassified. Those documents were declassifiedin the mid-late 90’s and they indicated nothing whatsoever.
Before that, we were told in the 70’s how Neutron activation tests would vindicate Oswald. The tests were run and proved the bullet fragments were from Oswalds rifle and nowhere else. In the late 80’s we were told how computer work would show how bullets came rom any of a number of directions. Instead, the Failure Analyisis work showed that the bullets did in fact come from behind.
Saying “wait ten years and we’ll see” reminds me of UFO guys who keep sasying how in 5-10 years there will be revelations that will blow the lid of the big guv’ment UFO coverup. They said this over 10 years ago. I have little faith of any new revelations.
Well, Maria Shriver is a Kennedy, and Maria is of course married to Arnold Schwartzenegger. Arnold originally came from Austria, which is right next door to Germany. Germany was once controlled by the Nazi Party, to whom George Bush’s grandfather had business dealings prior to the war. George Bush came from Texas. Kennedy was shot in Texas.
Therefore it seems inescapably clear that George Bush killed Kennedy.
And any of you who don’t believe me are obviously in on the conspiracy to cover it up!
As much as this sounds like a joke, some of your “evidence” showing “connections” to a “conspiracy” are precisely the same. This man knew that man, who was married to Kennedy’s secretary, so therefore all three of them- both men and the secretary- were in on the conspiracy. This fourth guy sold the first guy a pastrami sandwich that morning, so clearly he’s in on it too. This fifth guy was in the same deli later that afternoon, so naturally he’s in on it. Plus the guy that sold the deli owner the pastrami- he’s clearly guilty since he’s part of a uninion and we all know the union has mob ties.
You are literally seeing shapes in the clouds and declaring them real.
My GOD! Doc Nickel, I once had a co-worker whose aunt was Barbara Bush’s hairdresser!* Do you know what this means?
I KILLED JFK!!!
*Genuine fact!
Minty–
Will give you that. Another 10 years and no significant deathbed confessions of testimony and I would say there was no conspiracy. I was 60 in 1963 and in 10 years will be 70. Many of those with knowledge will be from 70 to 90 at that time and should start dying off in the next 10 years and should want to reveal something if there is anything to reveal.
Will wait and see.
Sorry–meant I was 20 in 1963
An admirable attitude, disponibilite. Although one would think that with your time machine, solving this sucker would be a snap.
minty green I’ve been lurking for a while and I wanted to toss my 2 cents in and ask a question or two.
First on the difficulty of shot that Oswald took. I’m a Naval Officer, so I’m not professionally trained to fire a rifle, but I can tell you from my experience shooting for a hobby, that the shot was not difficult at all. Sitting comfortably, being able to steady your weapon against the ledge or a box and using a rifle that one is familiar with, makes that a quite doable shot. Additionally, Kennedy’s limousine was traveling at only 12 miles per hour. That might sound fast, but I challenge anyone to drive his or her car at 12 miles per hour some time. It is agonizingly slow. When I stood in the Depository a few years ago and looked down at the shot. I thought it I could do it, with my more limited experience. I’m convinced that most are over estimating the difficulty of the shot.
Two quick questions, have you ever heard, or read what either of the Senator Kennedy’s or Jackie Kennedy felt about the assignations conspiracy? It seems hard to believe that arguably the most powerful family would allow that government to conceal a conspiracy. It seems if they are satisfied that the Warren commission was right, than that should hold a lot of water.
Lastly, the Court TV JFK special last week had the especially irritating Cyril Wecht on it. If I hear him say one more time how the “bullet zigged, stopped in mid air than zagged” I think that I’ll scream. Anyway, why can we get this guy to view the very convincing explanation, that either Court TV or ABC news used to explain the single bullet theory? I’d guess that Wecht et.al don’t want to get pinned down by facts that will refute the conspiracy cottage industry that has kept then in the lime light all these years.
I remember first seeing it at the tail end of the 1973 movie Executive Action. That was my first exposure to the whole conspiracy world…I have since come to my senses.
Marley23, you’d be surprised just how long someone with a severe head injury that doesn’t destroy the brainstem can continue to live. While I was a medical student on my surgery rotation, I saw a man come in who’d placed a shotgun in his mouth and pulled the trigger. He’d blown the entire left half of his face/forehead off (a wound very similar to Kennedy’s, just on the opposite side) . He lived for a half-hour or so after his arrival at our hospital.
Not particularly. Like you, I have a hard time thinking they’d take it lying down if they thought JFK had been murdered by a conspiracy. Some people have claimed that RFK said he’d have to be elected president before anyone would find out the truth, but that turns out not to be the case.
There may be some of that, but I think that for the most part, the “researchers” (as opposed to the outright frauds whom the researchers feed off of) have convinced themselves of the truth of their position. Never underestimate the capacity of a true believer to ignore or rationalize contrary information.