I’m sorry, I didn’t realize all of the other comments on this subject were so mature and evolved. Looked like a rather silly thread to me.
Plus, what makes you think that you, being a meat eater, were ever associated with me? For all you know I’m a vegan. I simply stated I love to eat my honey. Or is that what offends you? Oral sex? Too bad. Most women I’ve known have told me “No one has ever done it that good before”. But I can’t help it, damnit! I like it!! You should try it (forgo the sauce though). (I was drunk when I got my "red wings, damnit. So it doesn’t count!!!) =)
trade, perhaps you missed, like, the FIRST POST OF THE THREAD? You know, the one that read:
“I have had some acquaintances who were ‘Vegans’ – (Crap that name sounds like something out of a grade B science fiction movie.)”
“Fangs are not used to sneak up on a cabbage. They are used to grab and hold meat! Even our intelligence evolved from hunting live prey, not sneaking up on a leaf.”
"I know of no herbivore which developed much in the way of intelligence but I know of several animal omnivores which have displayed smarts. "
Sounds like slams to me. Furthermore, the dingus posted it in “Great Debates,” as if.
I agree it was a silly thread. However, silliness and wit are not mutually exclusive. Falling back on vagina jokes, proclaiming how great a pussy-eater you are, speaking of your “Honey” and then denegrating her with “cheesy” Monostat-7 cracks, and finally whipping out the piece-de-resistance “Red sauce - once a month”, doesn’t exactly qualify you as toastmaster general. Beavis and Butt-Head, seem like Noel Coward and Oscar Wilde compared to you.
I assumed nothing, rather you inferred you were a meat eater. This thread was shaping up into an “us v. them” bent,
so by definition, both of us being meat eaters, we were associated.
Oral sex offend me? Perish the thought. It is part of any healthy sex life, of which I have one. I make no claims as to my talent at it as it is none of your friggin’ business, and I respect my wife too much to dignify your curiousity with so much as a “fuck you.”
Most women, probably didn’t want to hurt your feelings. Besides, is that like 2 out of 3, or 1 1/2 out of 2?
That’s just my little opinion though, have a pleasant day.
We were at a cook-out a few eeks ago and there was a strict vegan there who proceeded to explain exactly how the poor moo-cows and chickies were MURDERED just so we could eat them. While wearing leather shoes. She and her hubby were driving an “Eddie Bauer” version SUV with leather interior. She was also drinking Scotch like it was water. Not judging, mind you, just an observation. Can’t believe someone would be a vegan for health reasons and continue to drink like she was.
Maybe it’s just me, but even wearing fake leather to protest killing cows for real leather seems hypocritical.
Just as a FYI… not all veggies do that. Personally, I don’t wear leather or fur or whatever, and I don’t buy things filled with down. I get my shoes from http://www.pangeaveg.com/ for example. Your post made it sound like most/all veggies are inconsistant. If that isn’t what you meant, fine… but it is sure how you came across.
Um… yeah it is just you. What are you, a moron? I don’t wear “fake leather” to “protest killing cows” I wear it because my shoes need to be made out of something, don’t they, and I’m damn sure not buying real leather. And with my feet, canvas lasts a month at best, and most shoe styles I like don’t come in canvas anyway. I suppose in your tiny pinhead you feel that a vegetarian should go around barefoot or only wear wooden clogs or something. Fucking retard.
OpalCat,
The vegetarians I have personally known seem to be inconsistent. Nothing wrong with wearing leather and suede and down jackets, but God forbid they eat meat. When someone tries to make ME feel like a cold-blooded murderer for eating a hamburger, but thinks it’s okay to wear leather, well, that comes across as hypocritical.
The woman at the cook-out I mentioned…she is the sister of a friend. She does drugs, drinks way too much, wears leather, drives a gas-guzzling & polluting SUV, yet felt it was her place to tell us all in disgusting detail how the cows are killed for meat. When someone else pointed out that she was wearing leather, she refused to listen and kept steering the topic back to meat-eating. She ended up walking away after we all kept pointing out her leather shoes, saying we “didn’t know the whole story.” She is an real extremist, you must agree.
Not all veggies are inconsistent, I’m sure. I didn’t mean to sound that way in my post. Sorry.
Calling me a “fucking retard” ??
Now I take it back. I’m NOT sorry.
I looked at the Pangea website. Sure are a lot of “leather-look” products. Guess you want it to look like leather, and want people to think it’s leather, but without the guilt hanging over you.
It says in the Bible that God gave us the animals for meat, so that is my guideline. Don’t give me that PETA baloney about Jesus being a vegetarian, either.
You obviously ARE a fucking retard. Where did I say the stuff didn’t look like leather? I said (can you read?) that I don’t buy it as a protest, I buy it because the shoes have to be made of SOMETHING and I’m not going to buy leather. I don’t care if it looks like leather or not, I just care that it is comfortable and that it is strong. I really don’t care what other people think about my shoes at all (maybe you are so hung up on such petty things that this comes as a shock, but it’s true) Geez you are thick headed. As for the “PETA baloney about Jesus being a vegetarian” why on earth would I care what some mythological figure from your book of fairy tales was supposed to have eaten? Or what that book of fairy tales says we’re supposed to eat?
Guess I’ll just wrap some plastic shopping bags around my feet so I don’t offend you. :rolleyes:
I can’t speak for Opal, but if I’m buying shoes from Vegetarian Shoes (http://www.vegetarian-shoes.co.uk), why would I want someone to think they’re leather? Au contraire, I want people to know they’re not. Working in sales, you know, I can’t exactly wear flip-flops or sneakers to the office. So I buy shoes that look professional and aren’t leather. Sheesh.
Actually, he originally created them to keep Adam company. But, anyway, what’s your point? I wasn’t aware the Bible was a cookbook.
Something to think about - for non-vegetarians who object to veggies wearing leather: Let’s say you have a moral conviction. Any moral conviction, doesn’t much matter, but for the purposes of argument let’s pretend that it’s one the majority of your culture doesn’t share.
Now, which is worse: to try to live up to this moral conviction as best you can, sometimes falling short, but mostly living according to your morals.
Or, since you can’t possibly live up to it, just chuck it all in, forget your conviction, and live life according to the amoral ideals of your society, even though you don’t agree - but at least you don’t look like a hypocrite!
Ok, let me explain.
My original beef (pun intended) was with vegetarians who take a big moral stand against eating meat, but think it’s okay to wear leather. Most of the veggies I have known IRL won’t eat meat for moral reasons (it’s cruel, it’s unhealthy, man is naturally a vegetarian, blah, blah, blah), BUT feel wearing leather is somehow different. I don’t know the difference between cows raised for food and cows raised for leather (meaning…do beef cattle farmers get money for the cow hides and/or do leather people sell the meat?), but it’s all from the same animal.
I know veggies who wear leather and say that not eating meat and wearing leather are two completely separate issues. To me, they are the same thing. If you’re not going to eat meat because it’s cruel to the cow, then how can you even begin to justify wearing a leather coat? Or wearing leather shoes? Or having a leather sofa?
Here’s an attempt at ‘beginning to justify’ wearing leather and not eating meat, if Mr Leather-Wearing Veggie is interested in the reduction of animal suffering rather than the complete elimination:
(a) he buys a pair of leather shoes.
Cost to animal life: one cow (maybe two? I don’t know the specifics) over the lifetime of the shoes.
(b) he eats an omnivorous diet.
Cost to animal life: once again, I can only speculate at the details but depending on your particular diet I think it’s clear that far more animals suffer.
Perhaps, by choosing option (a) but rejecting option (b), in your opinion he is not doing enough for his cause of ‘harm reduction’. But is that really any of your business?
In the animal world, the meateaters seem to be the more muscular and dominate animals. While the grass/grain eaters are usually fat and pursued as food.
Don’t know how that applies here but I thought I’d bring it up. It does seem as we’ve moved away from eating meats and more towards eating grains that the people in this country have become the fattest in the world. I suppose in starving countries, however, that the fat person would be the one to “hang with”.
Thanks Hayley - I think you bring up a good point. About it being anyone else’s business.
The way I see it, some of you know an obnoxious veggie or two. And have decided that all veggies are this way. Or, at least have decided to rag pretty heavily on veggies as a result. Well, as far as knowing an obnoxious veggie - if you know one, you know one. Fine. They’re an asshole, who nags you about what they eat. You have every right to not like being treated that way. You have a right to complain about being pestered by an obnoxious “in-your-face” veggie.
What I don’t get is all this teeth-gnashing by some of you over what those vegetarians eat, or wear, and why they are all “hypocrites”. I think a lot of you spend too much time thinking about it. I doubt you are surrounded by a swarm of naggy vegetarians all the time, who constantly comment on how evil your diet is. So I don’t understand why so many of you fixate on what we eat, or what we wear. But it seems like you do, I swear. Some of you seem inordinately bugged by the concept of vegetarians. (Hence my many experiences of people bugging me, and waving meat in my face, when I am minding my own business.)
Some of you seem to spend a lot of time trying to find moral inconsistencies in what we do and what we eat. At least some of us are making some sort of stand for something we feel strongly about. You don’t get it, you don’t respect it, fine. But where do you get off picking at it, as if you are entitled to pass judgment? It’s none of your business. As long as a veggie is not nagging you, you are not really entitled to an opinion about what moral stands we make, and how far we want to take our stand, or how much we want to modify our lifestyle.
I don’t get it at all. If you want to bitch about being nagged by a few veggies now and then, bitch about that. But leave the rest of us out of it. Stop bitching about what we eat, why we eat it, why we do or do not wear this or that, what our reasons are for not eating/wearing this or that. It’s none of your business really, is it?
This is the way I see it: To me, killing animals unneccessarily is wrong. I am then faced with two choices: A) going with my beliefs and avoiding supporting that killing industry or B) saying “the hell with it” and doing something I find morally repugnant.
It seems to me that a lot of the loudmouthed veggie bashers think that the correct answer is “B” and that scares the crap out of me. I mean… I think murder is wrong too… should I toss those feelings to the wind? What kind of amoral asswipe thinks that it’s better to go against your own personal morals, when it doesn’t hurt anyone for you to do so? When, in fact, it causes considerably LESS hurt?
And Kinsey, oooooohhh, you are so mystical, you KNEW I was going to say that! What were you thinking by saying it? If I pulled out my religious texts and showed you where it said eating animals was wrong, would you change your ways? I think not. It is stupid to pull in your own personal religion’s dogma as a reason for anyone else to believe something. But then, what did I expect of you?