Veganinanitarianism

The BBQ Pit
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I’ve always observed that vegetarianism carries a high correlation with incidence of flakiness, self-importance, and unfounded holier than thou pomposity.

To me it’s a bankrupt position to take. Cows are evolved ruminants and survive best on high quantities of cellulose plant matter.

Dogs and cats are primarily carnivores, and everything from their teeth to their digestive tracts to their livers works best with a high protein meat diet.

Us humans are omnivores. Our bodies are equipped to consume and need to consume both plant and animal matter, and our bodies need nutrients found in both.

Now sure you can fuss with with things and work out dietary suplements, and eat high protein legumes, but I suppose you could also run your car by distilling Jack Daniels. It’s not what it was designed for, but it would probably still run.

So, if you’re going to go to all this trouble to run a car or your body contrary to the fuel it was designed for, then you had better have good reasons… or, you’re a flake.

So, what are those reasons.

“I don’t want to kill animals or be responsible for their death.”

This is up their with praying to crystals as far as stupidity goes. What about all the insects that are killed growing the crops you eat? What about all the animals that are killed and displaced as their natural habitat is converted to farmland? What is it that you think plants eat anyway? As far as a plant is concerned, us animals are fertilizer. You don’t want to eat animals, but it’s ok to eat other organisms that eat animals? What about all those bacteria and microrganisms that you kill by the millions every time you take antibiotics, or clean your kitchen? What about the thousands of microorganisms that die as a result of your respiration? Do you really think that you live your life in a benign symbiotic relationship causing no harm to all other animal life? Who the fuck are you fooling with this cosmic hypocrisy? If you really cared, you’d kill yourself now to stop your constant consumerism based daily mass slaughter of the animal world. The fact that you don’t just means that you don’t have the courage of your own convictions.

What the fuck do vegetarians have against plants? If their is a cosmic mind or soul, do you think that plants don’t posess their share of it, and that it’s ok to slaughter them? What a narrow-minded egocentric worldview. Does a bee that lives for 90 days as a part of a hive have more of a soul or right to life than a 200 year old oak tree?

Plants have every bit as much right to life as animals and in many cases their loss is a far greater one than the loss of an animal.

I’d argue that the oak tree is a much more cosmically important and soulful organism than any chicken I’ve ever met. I’d rather kill a fucking chicken than chop down an oak tree any day. The oaks more important than any cow I ever met, but I don’t suppose it’s convenient for vegetarians to try to get along without wood or paper or electricity. I’d feel like shit chopping down an oak tree but I’ll gladly kill all the chickens you’d fry up.

And what’s so horrible about death anyway? We’re all gonna die. All animals do. Most of them die pretty fucking hard. Getting slaughtered for food is about as easy a way out for your basic animal as it’s likely to receive. Who the fuck are you to begrudge a stupid cow an easy death? Animals suffer and die a long long time in the wild as a matter of course. And most of these food animals wouldn’t even exist if we didn’t got to the trouble to raise them. Stop eating meat and you deprive all these cows and pigs and chickens and shit of their very fucking lives! They’ll never even exist!

Anybody that’s all worried about the death aspect of eating meat has led a very sheltered and insulated existence. Your average fruit fly has a more realistic worldview. Go spend some time on the farm or learn about nature firsthand before you start spouting your bullshit bankrupt morality, and wipe that smile off your face before I slap it off with a big hunk of bloody meat. You’re a part of the fucking world, and death is a reality, and you’ll be responsible for your share of it and the attendant suffering regardless of your meaningless feel-good moral facade. Stop hiding your head in the godamned sand and face the reality of your part in the world for good and bad. Stop pretending, and come out of your stupid fantasy.

The only possible excuse for vegetarianism would be that somebody simple doesn’t like the taste of all meat products. This would be the indication of a physiological disorder, an anti-evolutionary trait, a worthless mutation. Find a cow that can’t stand the taste of grass, and I’ll show you a cow that’s about to starve. Not liking meat is a flaw! I never hear this excuse either. It’s always some bullshit moral imperative that I’m supposed to respect. Fuck that! Just because you have the right to believe any old stupid thing doesn’t mean that I have to respect your stupidity. I laugh at it, and the flakiness it projects. It’s a bullshit fucking feel-good substitute for a realistic and reponsible worldview and code of ethics and I don’t respect bullshit.

Which brings me back to my original thesis. Flakiness.

Smug, ignorant, naive, and stupid. Vegans are flakes.

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I don’t like brussel sprouts.

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I think * someone’s* had a few negative experiences with vegans, aye? And wanna know the reason I don’t eat most meat?

I don’t like the way it tastes.

I do however, adpre hot dogs, which aren’t considered as real meat. Go figure. shrugs

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For the third FUCKING TIME on this fucking board alone–PLANTS ARE GOING TO DIE NO MATTER WHAT WE EAT!!!

Animals (and this is a little known fact here) EAT PLANTS! They eat a lot of plants–way more plants than people eat. Therefore, by eating animals, we are eating (and killing)lots of plants, too! But as a vegetarian, I am eating not only no animals, but less plants.

For the love of God, please, I am begging you to stop using this fucking logic. “Plants have feelings, too!” Yes, perhaps they do, but there is no way to avoid killing them.
And fuck you–what the hell do you have against vegetarians? That just their idea is wrong? That is goes against human nature? I don’t understand your logic. Why are you so fucking concerned with what I eat?

Jesus! I know it’s just a fucking message board, and I’ve promised myself I would never get worked up over it, but this post has just driven me crazy.

And it’s not just the killing of animals that bothers me–it’s the idea of creating animals just to confine them, torture them, and kill them. I would rather have an animal that never existed than one that lived a horrible life.

And before you start calling me a sheltered, morally bankrupt, idiot brat–I spent summers on a farm when I was a kid. I’ve seen pigs being slaughtered. I’ve witnessed a chicken running around with its head cut off. These memories are not why I don’t eat meat, but it had a lot to do with it.

And no, I don’t think I’m changing the world by not eating meat. I just made a personal (did you fucking hear that–PERSONAL–why the hell am I even answering to you?) decision based on my experiences, preferences and beliefs.

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What is your major malfunction, numbnuts?

Just out of curiousity, do you know anybody who has eaten either of these things?

It’s a shame that you’ve adressed only one reason for vegetarianism. I was raised as one. The smell of meat alone makes me physically nauseous; I couldn’t eat it if I wanted to. But yeah, I also don’t like the idea of eating a cow; it just sorta creeps me out. When I drive by a corrot farm, they can’t stare back at me glassy-eyed and placid.

You have a problem with my food preference? What the hell kinda difference does my food preference make to you? I don’t sit there and bitch about your burger, so back the fuck off of my bean and rice platter.

Apparently this makes me some freaky new-aged crystal-totin’ flake.

I’ll keep that in mind while I go crash with a beer and wish football were here already. Punk.

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Looks like someone didn’t read all the way through Scylla’s OP. Go on…finish it. It was hilarious!

BTW, what is adpre supposed to be? And hot dogs aren’t real meat? They’re made by combining the byproducts of every animal in existence! If anything, hot dogs are meat plus.

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Jeez, Scylla. I thought you were better than this sort of sweeping generalization. Not everyone who doesn’t eat meat is doing so because they get all weepy over fluffy bunnies. There are a lot of other damn good reason for not eating meat. First there are the conditions used in mass producing meat products. The treatment of these animals is really abominable, much much worse than they’d fare in the wild. Then there are all the chemicals and hormones they use when raising them, none of which you really want to be eating even in trace amounts. And, as far as the argument that it’s morally wrong to kill animals for food, you should keep in mind that there are a few major world religions who consider killing animals for any reason to be a sin. You’re OP isn’t just crapping on a few thousand crystal-gazers out in Berkely: you’re insulting the religous beliefs of millions of people.

I can understand your feelings on this. Its hard not to get a whiff of “holier than thou” in a lot of vegetarians and (especially) vegans. On the other hand, from personal expierience, I’ve only ever met one really militant vegetarian ("How can you eat meat? It’s so evil!). I’ve met no end of militiant carnivores. ("How come you’re a vegan? It’s so stupid!) And I’ve lived in California my whole life, and about 75% of my friends are vegetarians/vegans.

For the record, IANAV. I don’t consider it a meal if some animal hasn’t given up its life for me. I think the cuter the animal, the tastier the meat. (This also explains why I hate fish.) I go to McDonalds so often they know my order by heart. I don’t agree with a damn thing about Vegetarianism/Veganism. I don’t particularly care about animal mistreatment if they’re just going to end up slaughtered anyway. I don’t believe in living your life solely for the purpose of living longer. But just 'cause I don’t agree with them doesn’t necessarily mean they’re wrong. And, of course, why is it any of my buisness what consenting adults are doing in their kitchen? If it doesn’t break my leg or pick my pocket, it’s none of my buisness.

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The beauty of our world is that we all can believe what we want to believe.

BTW, I am a vegie and dairy food eater most of the time, why? Because of the shitty quality of today’s meat handlers…shit loads of hormones, antibiotics, poor husbandry practices etc…

If it were my ideal world, we’d have butchers that set up shop in the grocery store (not meat shipped from some warehouse that’s been sitting there wallowing in bacteria and sludge like substances) that is cut from free roaming ranches (try a good cut of “organic beef” or some buffalo and you know what I am talking about.) Chicken would be the chicken it’s meant to be and not some chewy and nasty substance that makes me want to gag.

But because of that I don’t eat meat as much as I would like to. I can’t stand the thought of eating tainted meat.

Shit even our vegies are tainted. Tomatoes from the store are not full of flavor, a fresh strawberry from the garden is far more bodied and juicy, and broccoli is much better from a pesticide free soil.

I eat meat, but it has to be a very good cut of meat but usually too expensive for my tastes. Otherwise you could call me a vegetarian.

Oh and Scylla, for the sake of my friends on this board and others in my life that are true vegetarians or vegans, a hearty “fuck you.” Not all of us omnivores hold the same views as Scylla…

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Mmmmmmmm…

FlameBroiled Scylla

mmmmmmmm…

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Scylla, May I sig?

Or, alternatively,

[quote]
by This Years Girl
I would rather have an animal that never existed …*I’ll have the deep-fried Lorax, please.

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…whatever. Feel better now? Good. :rolleyes:

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Scylla: Speaking as a confirmed and very happy omnivore with a strong affection for red meat :), I have to say:

a.) Who the fuck cares about what somebody wants to eat? To each his own.

b.) You can make an argument that there are sound environmental reasons in this day and age for vegetarianism. Whether you can make the same argument for veganism is dubious. shrug But again, each to his own.

c.) From both a health and an environmental standpoint it would probably behoove most Americans to cut back on the red meat a bit. Me included :smiley: . We tend to overindulge.

d.) I’ve known a number of “non-flaky” vegetarians. Most were of the “practical vegetarian” sort that rarely ate meat ( for any of several reasons, including taste ), but would consider doing so in a small way once every few months in a social setting.

But a couple were hard-core vegans. I considered their culinary habits kind of odd and at my most judgemental, a bit flaky. But they were very down-to-earth in most other respects and I can’t say I consider them any odder than a couple of other friends that are born-again Christians. ( Is praying to crystals any flakier than praying to God? Not to me :wink: ).

  • Tamerlane
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Now I see the “omnivore” thread…so I assume:

  1. this was a legit thread

or

  1. it was made in response to the other

If #2 is the case then I take back my fuck you and downgrade it to a, kiss my butt.

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and plants eat animals, too and animals are going to die anyway too. And you kill millions of animals every day just going through the motions of life. Don’t want to kill animals? Stop moving.

And you are not eating any less plants. You need the same amount of calories whether you eat meat or plants.

You’re eating the same damn matter that’s been recycled through countless plants and animals for billions of years.

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Down with lima beans!

Pass me those fried spicy hot pork rinds, would’ya? They go so well with my cheeseburger and chocolate shake.

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If we’re not supposed to eat animals,

why are they made out of meat?

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True, but the calories you eat in meat required the animal to eat about ten times as many calories in plant material in order to produce it. So, eating meat results in the death of more plants than eating plants exclusively.

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You’re made out of meat…

Or possibly a soy protein substitute.

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I thought you said you ate meat?:slight_smile:

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Cows don’t kill the grass. No plants need die in the production of meat.

A hundred people can share a cow. Cost? One life.

That pile of bean sprouts and mixed greens represents mass murder.