Our Babs goes from, in about 3 weeks, agreeing that the incompetent bozos of the (ironically named) Gaza Humanitarian Foundation are “incompetent bozos” and saying on his own that they are only a “slight improvement” over who he called Hamas collaborators of the UN aid org in charge of aid to Gaza earlier, to now being “miles and miles and miles better than the terrorist collaborators”, and seems to have entirely forgotten the earlier conversation:
Can you read the posts you yourself quoted? Are you OK?
Yes, at the time, I mistakenly used the term “slight” in one post; but I also at the time back on Dec 12 made it very clear that no matter how incompetent the GHF are, they are indeed a massive improvement over terrorist collaborators.
If you wanted to call out the incongruity between “slight” and “massive” at the time, fair enough, and I’d have owned up to fucking up with the term “slight” there, but you pretending my position has changed and coming here to circlejerk a victory lap is a new low, even for you.
Right. Slight to massive is definitely not a change in position. My deepest apologies!
“second worst option possible”…
Your words. Sure seems to me like your position has changed. Are the GHF “just about the second worst option possible”, or is anyone who calls them incompetent bozos “terrorist collaborators”?
I think I get it, maybe a little bit. We disagree strongly, but you do actually see that it was very, very wrong to put the GHF in charge (it’s just not credible that they were the only alternative), and you probably even see, at least a little bit, that the government of Netanyahu and his allies really are damaging the credibility and decency of the IDF and increasing human rights abuses in Gaza and the WB (how could it not?). It’s probably very stressful loving a country and a people so much and constantly having to find ways to rationalize and excuse really awful stuff, even if you don’t think it’s as bad as I do. Anyone in that position is going to make “slip ups” like “slight” to “massive”, and “second worst option” to… whatever it is you’re trying to convince me you believe now. I suppose I sympathize, at least a bit. I expect one day you’ll see the monstrosities that you’ve been defending and excusing and you’ll probably be ashamed.
…not a thing I said.
I said thatyour evidence for them being incompetent bozos is the word of terrorist collaborators.
That’s not the same thing as “anyone who calls them incompetent bozos is a “terrorist collaborator”". Surely there’s some part of your brain that’s not totally rotten that understands that.
I would say that I expect that one day you’ll understand that you are basing your entire understanding of this conflict on idiotic propaganda, but I really think you’re too far gone for that to ever be the case. I expect you’re solidly on the America Bad train to Tankieville.
I suppose I can sympathize. It must be terrible to see your country taken over by an idiot like Trump. But just because he’s president doesn’t mean America is rotten.
You said they were “just about the second worst option”.
Do you really believe that these evangelical Trumpers, with no experience at all in distributing aid, and who were chosen only because they were Trumpers, are anything but incompetent bozos when it comes to aid distribution?
I’ve repeated what I believe about a million times, but if the next one will finally sink in through your thick skull, we can try again:
They are
My opinions about you are based strictly on your words. Yours about me appears to be based on fantasy. I invite you to find a single tankie post I’ve ever made, on any topic.
Missed this. Oh shit, I’m sorry, I didn’t realize I was arguing with someone suffering from dementia.
You made the claim that I changed my position over the last 3 weeks. I showed you that I was saying what I’m saying now 3 weeks ago. So yes, your claim that I changed my position over the last 3 weeks is a lie; I did not change my position. And I never claimed that “massive” and “slight” are not contradictory; my post was made a few minutes ago, but if your brain is so far gone you can’t remember that long, I’ll quote it again:
Bozos, right! That you believe their predecessors were terrorist collaborators doesn’t make them any less bozos, or absolve Israel’s decision to put them in charge, not even one little bit.
Cool story bro. Like I said, they were a massive improvement over the intentionally malicious people there before.
Wonderful! So we agree that they’re bozos! And you stand by your opinion that they were “just about the second worst option”! We’re not so far apart after all. Shame on Israel for knowingly putting the clowns of the GHF in charge and causing lots of avoidable civilian deaths!
No, we are extremely far apart, because yet again you leave out the crucial fact that the GHF is a massive improvement over the intentionally malicious actors who were there beforehand.
Shame on the international community for turning the Palestinian people into a tool for attacking Israel instead of working to actually create a two state solution so their ordeal can be resolved. Shame on the aid groups that entranched Hamas by collaborating with them and filling their coffers with money and food reserves with which they control the Gazan population.
We agree (mostly)! Shame on Israel for the GHF (and lots of other things that I know we disagree on, but we agree on the GHF)! Shame on the international community for failing for so long! Shame on Hamas for their atrocities and attempted genocide!
Like I said. I said they are bozos. I just don’t like being paraphrased as if that was all I said. I said that they are bozos who are a massive improvement over their intentionally malicious predecessors.
If you want to criticize the GHF and their intentionally malicious predecessors I’d agree with you. If you insist on only criticizing the GHF, I will correct you. Because the GHF would never have been there in the first place of UNRWA wasn’t a malicious organization that intends to and benefits from prolonging the conflict and supporting terrorism.
I don’t accept the IDF reports about UNRWA, but for this discussion they’re irrelevant. I’ll even presume it’s accurate, for the purposes of the discussion. We agree the GHF are incompetent clowns! We agree Israel should have found someone better than “just about the second worst option”!
But let’s get back to the “tankie” thing. How about a single tankie post from me, on any subject?
“Tankie” is the final stop on the “America Bad” train, where you cross from America Bad to therefore Russia Good. If you’re on the train, you’re obviously not there yet.
Maduro is a classic Tankie gateway, though, so I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump’s latest antics make you stumble a few more steps down that path.
Fantasy it is, got it. Let me know if you see any tankie posts.