I Pit Darren Garrison

You are lying about this. The other videos showed a Black man, that is all that is known.

You want to join another asshole in race-based victim blaming, go for it. I’m done correcting your false statements.

Everything I’ve said is accurate. From the Reuters link posted above:

Two white men on trial in the killing of Ahmaud Arbery were shown surveillance video of the Black man walking around a half-built house in their southern Georgia neighborhood 12 days before they chased and shot him, a jury heard on Friday.

“Nobody seems to know who this kid is or where he’s coming from,” Robert Rash, a Glynn County police officer, told the two men, Gregory McMichael and his son Travis McMichael, on the night of Feb. 11, 2020, after showing them the clips, according to body-worn camera video played in court.

Arbery was first captured on security cameras going into the house under construction in Satilla Shores on the night of Oct. 25, 2019.

Arbery was recorded again walking around the unfenced construction site on Nov. 18, 2019, though once again nothing was taken that day, according to English.

On the night of Feb. 11 neighbors saw Arbery again on the property, and Travis McMichael rushed over with his gun and saw Arbery briefly in his car headlights.

Note that none of this means that these guys were justified in chasing and ultimately shooting the guy. But the 2 statements were accurate, and your assertions to the contrary are not. And your refusal to acknowledge this is ironic in light of your accusation.

Based on testimony, maybe they were tasked with “identifying” him, but I didn’t see anything that says they were tasked with stopping him. So that’s a strike for the 3rd statement being true.

That’s a valid point. So make it partially true.

ISTM that the crux of this case is 1) did they have the right to make a “citizen’s arrest” in that circumstance, and 2) did they in fact tell the guy they were doing so? If the answer to either question is “no”, then ISTM they should be guilty. (I’ve not been following this closely enough.)

He can answer this question: If three black were armed and chasing him down in a truck, maybe hootin’ and hollerin’ chase-style, would he surrender and wait for police to arrest him? I think NOT!

FWIW, I should add that I myself have a history of prowling around houses under construction. I find that type of thing fascinating, and it came in useful when we ended up getting our own house built. So my inclination is to view the kid’s actions benignly.

That’s most guys I know. If we’re there, anyway, might as well look inside to see how they’re building it.

At a certain point, though, it starts to look too much like a house, and it would feel skeevy to go inside.

OK, I’ll admit I wasn’t caught up on the testimony from yesterday, which was the first time that Arbery was positively identified in court as being a person seen on the property earlier. All news reports up to that point (including when Darren made his definitive statement), described him as an unknown Black man, or “believed to be Arbery.”

I still take issue with Darren’s statement that the men “correctly identified him” when in their own words they said they only believed Mr Arbery resembled the suspect in a series of local break-ins, and given that when Darren made the statement, it was not established that it was the same man. But it gets into different ways of parsing the words and meaning of Darren’s statement, so I’ll call it gray and retract it. I somehow don’t think I’ll see the same self-reflection from Darren.

As for the neighborhood watch, they were not tasked with doing anything. And still no answer from Darren on the lack of “no trespassing” notices.

If the cops would have caught him, Arbery would have simply been told not to go back to the construction site.

Are you black? That seems to be the deciding factor.

We bought the house we lived in when it was still a bare dirt lot. So we owned this property as it was built. We’d come visit it irregularly to see the progress. It was pretty fun.

If some stranger came and poked around while it was under construction and didn’t cause any damage I couldn’t have cared less. I wouldn’t be surprised if that very thing did happen more than once and the thought doesn’t bother me.

And yet someone was killed over this sort of thing. It boggles the mind. :dizzy_face:

I am SURE he would know they just wanted to politely ask him to stay put until the proper authorities arrived. I am SURE he wouldn’t feel at all threatened by the guns, or being hit with the vehicle, because after all, those kind gentlemen are members of the neighborhood watch, and could only have the best interests of their community in mind.

I read somewhere that he was stopping by regularly to get a drink of water, but I can’t remember where I read it (or if it is accurate). Either way, poor Arbery was lynched for it and, even more sadly, his murder was almost covered up by the DA.

Thank God the video was leaked, months later, otherwise everyone would’ve gotten away with it all.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/jury-sees-video-ahmaud-arberys-prior-visit-neighborhood-he-was-shot-2021-11-11/

English [NB: the owner of the property where Arbery was alleged to have ‘trespassed’] has also said through a lawyer that he later concluded that Arbery had been stopping by for a drink of water from a faucet on his property, which was not in the view of any of the surveillance cameras.

Ah, thank you. I knew I read it somewhere.

Yes, and as noted in many posts in this thread and the other ones, just about everyone who’s ever been a kid has typically done the same. I certainly did, and nothing ever happened (nor did I ever steal or damage anything) except once when I was exploring an apartment building under construction, and a security guard saw me and told me to leave. Never got shot at, though, which Darren seems to think should be an expected consequence for what he calls “criminal trespass”, as if entering a construction area is equivalent to a violent home invasion.

In later years, the houses under construction that I visited were my own, and yes, it was fun to see it being built and checking up on various things. Nobody cared. Once it approached the stage where final finishing was being done, it was kept locked.

But it doesn’t even matter! Whether Arbery was there for innocent or nefarious purposes wouldn’t have made a bit of difference. The McMichaels caused and carried out the killing and moronically thought they were the heroes in this.

It’s even more moronic that some others think they were the heroes too. :rage:

In the movie version of “To kill A Mockingbird”, the mob threatening the jail was incredibly dangerous and this close to murder… when a little girl spoke to some of the members and reminded them that they were individuals within the community. I’ve always loved that scene.

The problem … or the question that arises for me is: have we lost that ability to be individuals and/or to show compassion?

Here’s an obviously unrelated news story that I just read.

I wonder what it is about it that makes me think of this case… or “To Kill A Mockingbird”?

Emphasis mine:

You misspelled racist.