I pit dentists/dentistry!

I hate you all with the white hot intensity of a thousand suns, you bastards.

I have had a horrible dental history, stretching from them almost breaking my jaw to remove my wisdom teeth, when younger, through years, of dentist after dentist, being unsuccessful at freezing my teeth. Not every time, you understand about 1 time in 3.

And from the beginning they have always made it seem like it’s me, somehow. The fact that I’m enduring random electroshock like treatments, with my dentistry causes them no concern whatsoever, in my experience.

Inquiring, after such experiences, if perhaps I should better seek out a dentist who uses gas, I am told there is no need. Such things happen, yada, yada.

Over the course of 30 yrs I have forced myself to go in for this torture, knowing that, to stop going, would make things much much worse, in the long run. I used every technique I could to keep myself moving forward regardless. I made sure I was first appt of the day, so I wouldn’t wait and fret. I take my music player, a good luck charm. I have been to the finest dentists in the city. I always moved to another dentist, after freezing failure. It was just easier to delude myself into thinking, maybe this one will get it right, maybe this time it will be different.

Of course, I always tell them the difficulties I’ve experienced. They all have different reasons for why this is happening, (it’s your metabolism, it’s a misplaced nerve, etc, etc, more than I can even remember!) Never once, during a pain filled procedure did a dentist ever say to me, “We’ll just put in some more freezing!” No, universally they all said, “Well, we’re almost done!” Well, okay then, bring on the electroshock.

Eventually, and thanks to this board, I discovered sedation dentistry. While expensive, the dentists are much more accommodating and reassuring. No doubt from dealing with patients like me, who’ve been through a world of torture. The gas helps the nerves, but doesn’t help with the tooth freezing thing.

Many years ago, when I was at the uni, I went to the dental school for some work. They, one day, they could not get my tooth frozen. They made much of giving me another shot of ‘horse strength’ freezing, which proved ineffective. They then proceeded to put it all on me, somehow, and I left feeling truly awful. And I never returned, cost be damned.

2 yrs later, I’m working in a downtown bar, the Dental school is graduating and there’s my student. He recognizes me, and after a few drinks, comes to the bar to confess to me that the ‘horse strength’ freezing was all just a sham!:eek:

Having been under employed for sometime, and having 3 large teeth break in 6 wks, I find myself forced back to the uni dental school clinic. God help me. Understandably I was nervous in the extreme during the screening. I went to great length to explain about my dental history, in detail, to my student. I told him how my last dentist on hearing about upcoming sinus surgery, sent my dental xrays so the surgeon would be aware of the length of my teeth roots (very long indeed).

It’s like they can’t hear you. Or they don’t believe you. Or they think, “Well, that won’t happen with me as your dentist!”

Now I am not a weak woman, I’ll have you know. I have traveled alone in the third world, climbed volcanoes and mountains from the Himalayas to the Andes. I’ve hitchhiked to the Yukon! I was a caregiver for 6 yrs to someone, fully bedridden who was double my weight. I am not without boldness, strength and fortitude, I promise. But of course, the dentists don’t see or know that, they just see me as weak. I am a small woman and I feel like I’m being treated like a ‘foolish, scared girl’, to be humoured, but not much else.

But I find I am out of tricks, I’m out of nerve, I’m out of illusions, I just have no more muster.

When the student, at the screening, returned to inform me that they intended to go ahead and use the same techniques and drugs that have proven unsuccessful, so often, in the past, for my double extraction, giant crocodile tears began to leak from my eyes. You have got to be joking! Have you not heard one word I said, or do you just not care? Why is it unreasonable to expect/demand that anesthesia, is one thing, you should be able to rely upon, being 100% effective?

My tears and fearfulness were extremely upsetting to me, these are emotions that are new to me. I have always been able to overcome and face my fears. But dentistry has brought me to my knees and it is humbling.

The good news, is the student did shift my extraction to the dental surgery section, where they do have other drugs and can fully put you out. Which is what I’m hoping for, of course. It’s tomorrow and I’m nervous as hell, because I’m going to have to start at the beginning to convince yet another dentist to hear me, and understand me, and to please just knock me out. But, of course, I have no way of knowing if they’ll agree to it.

Wonderful, huh? If you’ve got prayers say them, if you’ve got spells cast them, good vibes-send them. I didn’t sleep much last night and probably won’t tonight. And even if this goes well, it’s only half way to done, God help me.

This sort of overpowering fear, is new to me and has my emotions all hanging out raw and ragged. I’m finding it very hard. Any suggestions are more than welcome.

So who’s with me? Hate your dentist too?

Freezing = numbing, I presume?

What pisses me off about dentists is that every goddamn one of them has a different method of brushing. The most basic of dental procedures, and there’s no consensus?

The best doctors (and dentists) are the ones who listen to you, and don’t try things that haven’t worked on you in the past. The worst doctors (and dentists) are the ones who won’t listen to you, and will do things however they damn well please.

I’m very happy with my current dentist. If you have a choice, look for a dentist who advertises “I cater to cowards”, as this one will probably LISTEN to you.

And I completely feel your pain. Nobody was ever able to numb tooth #31, and it had a lot of problems going on. When I had to have another tooth extracted, I told the surgeon to just go ahead and yank #31 while he was at it, because I was tired of having to get it worked on while it was still wide awake and screaming.

You’re an anti-dentite!

I’ve had problems with not numbing up or not being completely numb. Usually in my lower jaw, but it has happened with my upper teeth too. They have ways to deal with this. Usually there is at least one person in the office who knows where and how to inject to overcome this problem. It really is because your nerves are not in the usual spot. I’ve had times when my entire face and tongue was numb but I could still feel my teeth. If there isn’t someone on staff who knows how to overcome this, then you need to get up and say you are going somewhere else.

Horse strength is not a sham. They do make different anesthetics because some work better in some people than others. They may have to order it in advance because what they keep on hand works on at least 99% of people. They may have lied to you about using it on you, but it does exist.

It’s a teaching school? Great. They can use you to demonstrate how to numb up people who don’t numb up the traditional way.

If they can’t get you numb and don’t want to put you out, walk out.

I have total sympathy. Been through a lot of that myself. Once after mentioning I wasn’t getting numbed enough they shot so much stuff in my jaw my foot went to sleep! (some exagerration there). There are good dentists. But every time I move I have to find them again. I considered traveling 200 miles to go to a known good one before I finally found a dentist and oral surgeon locally who could help. Stay away from periodontists!! This is a total scam!

I’m right with you, elbows - sedation dentistry has worked quite well for me, and I’m going to be sticking with that. What brought me to the point of trying it was getting a new dentist when mine moved out of town, and the look of fear and helplessness in the new dentist’s eyes when he realized that he couldn’t figure out how to freeze my tooth after about six or seven injections. Buh-bye - I’ve had enough of this horseshit. I go to sleep, and when I wake up, it’s done.

We can put humans into orbit around the earth, and we’re still doing all these barbaric practices on our teeth. What a world.

Sorry I wasn’t clearer, I realize that ‘horse strength’ does, indeed, exist. What he was telling me was, in that case, they were just shamming me.

I’m doubting the misplaced nerve thing since I’ve has this experience with many of my teeth. That’s a lot of misplaced nerves. Not to mention it’s just as credible as the dozens of other excused I’ve been offered over 30 yrs, so I’m not really sure of anything any more.

It’s exceedingly hard to have any confidence in them at all, to be honest. It seems to have just all added up to a place where I have no confidence that they’ll hear or care to be honest. They have collectively undermined any confidence, over the course of those years.

What? No suggestions for overcoming my paralyzing fear? Come on now, at least say you’ll send out some good vibes my way, I’m begging you. You’re all I’ve got!

I recommend tranquilizers, and here comes some good vibes. {vibes through the ether to elbows} :slight_smile:

elbows, are you by chance a redhead? We tend to need more pain/seditation medication than non-redheads. This was told to me by my dentist - if you weren’t so far away I would recommend him.

I have also traveled the highways of bad dentists. I had a dentist do a root canal on me and only clear 3 canals - the tooth had four. I was in the elevator when the rush of air hit the exposed nerve and I started screaming. I have been tilted head to floor while listening to two dentists discuss how to bend the needle to inject into the roof of my mouth. When I started leaking tears I was told to “stop crying, you’re making me nervous”. Bastard.

If you are not getting sufficent numbing, walk out. My dentist uses Halcion on me - and at half again the recommended dosage. He related a Continuing Education class where they were told .5 was the recommended dosage for twilight sleep; he uses .75 on me. He says he does it in self defense so I don’t rip the arms off his exam chair.

If a dentist starts a procedure on you and you can feel it, tell him. If he doesn’t correct the problem, LEAVE. If a medical professional won’t listen to you, he/she is not the one to be working on you.

You are in my thoughts. Even though I now have a very good one, I still break out in a cold sweat just thinking about going to the dentist.

That is interesting. Most of the hair I’ve lost was red (I’m a tricolor).

I’ll note that bad dentistry did help me develop a very high tolerance for pain.

Sorry, not a redhead, brunette. But I do have extremely long roots to my teeth. I have two siblings who went in for routine extractions that turned into marathon sessions. In my brother’s case, it took two dentists, and several hours, to pull one tooth. Then, apparently, the root was so long, he proudly went around and showed it to everyone in his office!

I never talk like this, like some stupid hair-poofed women; however, I will make an exception. Here goes -

Aww! Sounds like somewone needs their waufing gas.

:stuck_out_tongue:

Professionals work for you
If they don’t work for you,
Find another.

Years ago, just after I moved into my house in North Minneapolis, I decided to check out the Dentist 4 blocks from my house, reasoning that I could just walk there and no matter what, be able to walk home. Before I would agree to set up an appointment, I asked if he used gas (the days before the topical stuff). He said yes. I made the appointment.

I get in and get on the chair, and he’s going into my mouth to give me the shots.
I stop him and say we talked about this and he’s not giving me shots without gas first.
He says he doesn’t use it and won’t use it.
I say “You said you would, and you will, or I walk”
He refuses.
I get up and walk.

I was half way to the door when he relented.

But I still never went back after the one visit.

My dentist “caters to cowards” and I love him - I found him via Yelp reviews - but he’s expensive. Thanks to a previous dentist, my current one is now fixing two old fillings that require crowns (hopefully no root canals). I did one already and without insurance, it was over a grand. I have one left to go. I really hope you find a dentist you like (and can afford) and get some relief. I was actually having dreams about my teeth crumbling and falling out. :frowning:

Elbows, you have my sympathy. I hope I don’t outlive my present dentist. He’s a gem.

I keep thinking that there ought to be some neuro way to learn where your particular nerves are and what dosage they need, but I have no idea how it would work.

Sorry you’re going through this, elbows. I get nervous going to the dentist just for uneventful cleanings, and haven’t had the bad experiences you have. I can’t imagine how wrecked you must feel right now. I hope they agree to use general anesthesia on you, I agree with the others that you really should walk out if they won’t - but it sounds like you’re in a bind that doesn’t leave you much choice after that.

IIRC there are only two main nerves that attach to the teeth in each quadrant of the mouth. That’s why people often mistake pain in one tooth for pain in another - because they’re attached to the same nerve, and it’s not enough of a difference for the brain to bother to learn to differentiate between them. For instance, when I thought my lower left 1st molar was having pain, it was actually the 2nd molar that was split down the back. Once the 2nd molar was fixed, no more pain. Even now, I swear it was the 1st molar that hurt.

So this is why some may be confounded, because they’re aiming for a big nerve that’s usually hard to miss, and the fact that they’re missing yours means your couple of nerves are really in a weird position that’s hard to find. Which makes you a perfect candidate for sedation dentistry…

I had some left over vicodin during the time I needed my crowns done. It helped immensely with anxiety to take one before leaving the house, on the way to the appointment. I told my dentist this, and he said he would gladly dispense one or two prior to future appointments, because things were easier on him and his staff as well as me!

If you can get a hold of anything to help you sleep, it really will help (IMO, anyway), if you take any the morning of the appointment, just make sure to tell the anesthesiologist so they can adjust your anesthetic dose if needed. (make sure you can tell them the exact milligrams)

I’ll be checking in with hopes you report back with good news.

Thinking good thoughts for you.

Best of luck.

Normaly, I don’t have any troubles dealing with dentists. Last time I needed one, I went in for some work. Aside from the routine cleaning, I needed some re-filling.

That proved to be a mistake. This guy re-filled all right, and then stuck them so close together that I still have pain every day when flossing. Yes, it’s physiocally painful to floss. But I do it. He did gracisouly “fix” the problem, which amounted to rounding off the surface layer. As in, the part of the fillings which doesn’t touch so close to the others and which is not, in fact, my problem.

I was also annoyed at his staff. I’ve had bad experiences with nurses, since it seems that either they cannot write or comprehend anything I say, or they don’t bother telling the doctors or dentists. In which case, I don’t bother to tell them anything.