I pit everybody (well, a number of people) in this thread

The BBQ Pit
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[QUOTE=lowbrass]
Seems this tidbit gets trotted out in almost every pit thread. Does being “par for the course” render a thing immune from criticism? The point was that mean-spirited, insulting answers don’t belong in GQ. I don’t care if people think they’re par for the course; that doesn’t make it right.
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Absolutely true. But “par for the course” makes criticizing a particular instance a real uphill battle. The offender can easily shrug it off and carry on or even try to flip it back on the accuser for singling him out.

In the end, I agree with you. Good answers with an attitude are ok, jokes are ok, flat out condemnation or unadorned insults are not. They are not nice in the rest of the forums and are unacceptable in GQ in particular.

I don’t expect The Powers That Be to take cards on the matter and start modding the offending answers. It is left to this kind of pitting to shape forum etiquette and serve as a wake up call to the offenders.

I applaud the OP for this pitting and for not doing it in the thread.

Maybe the Par For The Course issue deserves its own thread.

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So we all agree, there is no foolproof hope for 'Lil Squirt, short of a, bilateral orchiectomy or a chastity belt.

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[QUOTE=Morgenstern]
(bolding mine)
I can’t believe abstance has the highest failure rate.
This is a black and white issue.
Abstance is simple. Keep the zipper up.
The good - abstance prevents unwanted pregnancy.
The bad – it isn’t popular
Typical abstance, as you describe it isn’t abstance, it’s having sex.
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Fantastic reasoning. That’s right up there with, “Speeding doesn’t kill - it’s sudden deceleration.” :rolleyes:

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[QUOTE=WhyNot]
So?
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So?

So I wish I had gone into the detail that Rubystreak did in her latest post (#80). She said everything I was coming back to answer, and more. Thanks R.

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And your suggestion was…

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[QUOTE=WhyNot]
You want “typical abstinence”? I point you to one of my former employees, a good devout born-again Christian girl from a good family who promised her Daddy she’d remain a virgin until marriage. Then she met a guy, fell in luuuurve, and discovered that penises are interesting. She decided, to keep her word to Daddy, that she’d remain a virgin. She’d just have anal sex instead. In her mind, this was absolutely remaining abstinent - she saw no conflict here. (This was shortly before Bill Clinton helped a nation to redefine “sex”.) She got pregnant, through anal intercourse alone. Her father, of course, flipped out, and dragged her to his own doctor, who confirmed that her hymen was still intact and she was still “a virgin.” The doctor’s theory was that semen dripped out of her anus onto her panties and swam up the cervical fluid through the uterus and into the fallopian tube. Voila - virgin pregnancy.
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Okay, I must be whooshed, because no one else has called this bullshit. I think I’ve agreed with everything WhyNot has said except I can’t believe this story. Unless you are the girl, the bf, or the doctor, you don’t know what happened.

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[QUOTE=bigbabysweets2000]
Okay, I must be whooshed, because no one else has called this bullshit. I think I’ve agreed with everything WhyNot has said except I can’t believe this story. Unless you are the girl, the bf, or the doctor, you don’t know what happened.
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Perhaps it’s bullshit, but it’s not my bullshit. Consider:

[QUOTE=http://www.umaine.edu/peered/faq.htm]
Can you get pregnant from anal sex?
Yes, you can get pregnant from unprotected anal sex. What goes in the anus must come out. The distance between your anus and vaginal opening is relatively small. The lubrication that occurs in women when they are aroused works like flaggers at an airport for the sperm to find the egg. There is a chance that the sperm will enter the vagina after exiting the anus and the woman can indeed become pregnant. You should always use protection when engaging in any form of intercourse!
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[QUOTE=http://www.teenwire.com/ask/2006/as-20060725p1316-anal.php]

It’s not possible for anal sex to cause pregnancy, unless ejaculate or pre-ejaculate gets into the vagina or on the vulva.
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(bolding mine)

[QUOTE=http://www.scarleteen.com/cgi-bin/forum/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=10;t=001549;p=0]
Lauren
Scarleteen Volunteer
Member # 25983Yes, unprotected anal sex carries a risk of pregnancy, because the semen can enter the vaginal opening. If this happened 5 days ago or less, you can obtain emergency contraception. If not, a pregnancy test taken 10-14 days after this happened will give you an accurate result.
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[QUOTE=Sexual Health & Family Planning ACT]
Can I get pregnant from anal sex?

Anal intercourse is when a man’s penis enters his partner’s anua (bum-hole, arse-hole, etc.).

It is possible to get pregnant through anal sex if semen (cum) drips out of the anus into the opening of the vagina, which is near the anus.

If you are having anal intercourse, it is best to use a condom - to prevent pregnancy, and also to avoid passing on or catching sexually transmissable infections.

If you are having anal sex to avoid pregnancy, it would be better just to use condoms for intercourse or the birth control pill. These prevent pregnancy and mean that you can have penis-in-vagina intercourse if you want to.
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[QUOTE=http://www.teencarecenter.org/index.php?p=unsafe&s=vital]
Despite copious misinformation to the contrary, you can get pregnant from anal sex. The anal opening leads to the rectum, which is part of the large intestine, a part of the gastrointestinal (GI) tract. The GI system is not directly connected with the reproductive tract, thus sperm entering the anus cannot swim through the GI tract to reach the egg. However, semen can and does drip from the anus after ejaculation. This semen comes in contact with the vaginal opening, which is lubricated with slippery mucus. During certain times of the month, vaginal mucus acts as a conduit to usher sperm into the vagina and uterus, ultimately to a waiting egg. So, anal sex should not be considered “safe” as it puts couples at risk of both STDs and pregnancy.

Condoms are often recommened as safer sex option for couples practicing anal sex. However, condoms are more likely to break during anal sex than during vaginal sex. Thus, even with a condom, anal sex can be risky. [3]
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[QUOTE=http://www.sexetc.org/faq/pregnancy/817]
Can I get pregnant from having anal sex?

It’s possible, but not likely. If you have anal sex without a condom, semen can drip out of the anus and into the opening of the vagina. But, the risk is low.

The bigger danger is disease. Since the lining of the anus is very thin and can tear easily, it is much easier for a person to be exposed to a sexually transmitted infection during anal sex, if one partner is infected. So, you should ALWAYS use a lubricated latex or polyurethane condom for anal intercourse. That helps prevent both pregnancy and disease.
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Somehow WhyNot, I just don’t believe this.
Let’s try to define abstinence one more time, as in - abstinence = keep the zipper up and the panties on.

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[QUOTE=bigbabysweets2000]
Okay, I must be whooshed, because no one else has called this bullshit. I think I’ve agreed with everything WhyNot has said except I can’t believe this story. Unless you are the girl, the bf, or the doctor, you don’t know what happened.
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Just about every other person I know has a friend to whom this happened. It has to be true :wink:

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Maybe we should try a picture representation.
abstinence: Q . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .J
not abstinence: QJ

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[QUOTE=WhyNot]
Perhaps it’s bullshit, but it’s not my bullshit.
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Okay, i’m sorry, I should have clarified my disbelief. It’s regarding two main points.

  1. That a girl can get pregnant through anal sex.
  2. That a girl would remain vaginally abstinent at the request of her father, only to be cornholed repeatedly by her high school bf (who never EVER pushes for vaginal sex), admits this to her father the virgin pregnancy, and then the doctor gives the results of the vaginal examination to the father, all while the girl shares this with her boss (WhyNot). Thank you for my longest run-on sentence ever.

Okay, here is your quote: (With mine bolded)

So I hope I clarified. If you were exaggerated some points of your story (she was an employee, her father “dragged her”, doctor hypothesized), then fine, I don’t mind. It’s the internet and you were trying to say something to make a point. And I don’t mean to act like one of those nitpicking bastards, but this just doesn’t seem to wash with me.

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Patient: “Doctor, can I get pregnant from having anal sex?”
Doctor: “Of course - where do you think lawyers come from?”

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[QUOTE=Morgenstern]
Somehow WhyNot, I just don’t believe this.
Let’s try to define abstinence one more time, as in - abstinence = keep the zipper up and the panties on.
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Everyone is scoffing at this, but you can use the truth, not lies, to convince kids that sex is not something they want to mess with until they are in a more self-sufficient place in life. I think there should be a high school class that teaches kids not only exactly how the male and female reproductive systems work, but also how each method of birth control works and why they all can fail if you don’t use them right. If kids are going to have sex, they should use 2 methods, and they should understand both fully and why they are using them. Also, teach about veneral diseases in detail, using pictures if possible. Teach kids, especially boys, about how sucky it is to pay child support (that lesson could be called, “When 17% Ain’t 17% for 21 Years: Keep It In Your Pants, Son”). Then also teach them about credit scores, bankruptcy, daily compounded interest, and the burdens of personal debt (“Why Visa Owns the World: A Primer for Young Spendthrifts”). Yes, scare them into wanting to stay children as long as possible. There is no need to lie or cook stats: the real world is hard enough for adults, and being a grown up is pretty overrated anyway.

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[QUOTE=Morgenstern]

Let’s try to define abstinence one more time, as in - abstinence = keep the zipper up and the panties on.
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I’ll try to keep this real simple for you.

Abstinence. Doesn’t. Work. Because. Young. People. Don’t. Remain. Abstinent.

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[QUOTE=lowbrass]
I’ll try to keep this real simple for you.

Abstinence. Doesn’t. Work. Because. Young. People. Don’t. Remain. Abstinent.
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Oddly enough, it’s the same principle that makes pulling out not work.

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Back to the subject at hand. I believe the OP to be a sock and therefore possibly a troll. He has posted under this current username, PeachPit, and something like unbrokenpp2. I’m not a troll stalker, so I’m not going to search for previous threads. But I beleive he has been banned with more than one username.

That’s why I stopped reading the “accidental sex” thread when I saw the OP. Unless he explains himself, all of you are wasting your time discussing him.

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Let’s try this one more time just for you lowbrass. Spit out the gum and pay attention. (others, please excuse us)
Abstinence works. In fact, Abstinence is the ONLY 100% effective method of (male) birth control known (other than bilateral orchidectomy, which we have already rejected).
Non-Abstinence, that is, the absence of abstinence, doesn’t work. (see Kozmic’s post- #90 for a graphic representation.) In fact, I would bet all pregnancies result from practicing “non-abstinence”.
IF a kid is 6 weeks away from entering college, and does not want to run ANY risk of having his girlfriend become pregnant, his best choice for birth control is ABSTENANCE. (clear ‘nuf).
Now run along and ride your bicycle, and don’t cross the busy street.

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Okay, now YOU pay attention, Morgenstern; what we’re trying to impress on you is that no matter how effective abstinence is, it doesn’t work because horny teenagers don’t abstain. While we’re at it, do you think you could pass that message on to your POTUS, cause I don’t think he gets that, either. What do you call an “abstaining” teenager? A parent! What do you call a teenager who uses the withdrawal method? A parent! What do you call any teenager who uses birth control methods unreliably? A parent! Of course teenagers should not be having unprotected sex and having babies, but they are, and they do. Wake up and smell the reality.

What the US (and Canada, too) needs is to shift the whole paradigm regarding sexuality and pregnancy and birth control, but I’m not holding my breath waiting for that to happen. Meanwhile, the best we can do is deal with teenage sexuality as the reality it is, not the fantasy that parents and politicians wish it would be.

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[QUOTE=featherlou]
Okay, now YOU pay attention, Morgenstern; what we’re trying to impress on you is that no matter how effective abstinence is, it doesn’t work because horny teenagers don’t abstain. While we’re at it, do you think you could pass that message on to your POTUS, cause I don’t think he gets that, either. What do you call an “abstaining” teenager? A parent! What do you call a teenager who uses the withdrawal method? A parent! What do you call any teenager who uses birth control methods unreliably? A parent! Of course teenagers should not be having unprotected sex and having babies, but they are, and they do. Wake up and smell the reality.

What the US (and Canada, too) needs is to shift the whole paradigm regarding sexuality and pregnancy and birth control, but I’m not holding my breath waiting for that to happen. Meanwhile, the best we can do is deal with teenage sexuality as the reality it is, not the fantasy that parents and politicians wish it would be.
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While I was a sexually active teen, as were MOST of my friends, I know a number of 20+ year old virgins (some from lack of opportunity, some from choice). Lots of teenagers do abstain. Some manage to do it until marriage in their mid-20s.

SOME horny teenagers do abstain. Which does not mean I want to put all my eggs in the abstainence basket, but that its unfair to those that do manage to hold true to their intent in the face of raving hormones, our permissive culture, and horniness to claim they are all doomed to teenage pregnancy.

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I think Morgenstern is correct that actual abstinence, defined as not having sex of any kind*, is 100% effective as a method of birth control. The problem is the side effects, which include being an insufferable asshole.

*N.B.: No True Scotsman practices abstinence.