Which is just what I was arguing in the GD thread I was thinking about. Granted, it was on another, related topic, one you might argue might not stir as much passion or be as widespread, but the principle is still the same. Few people seem to agree with me.
Different people react to this type of attitude in different ways.
NPR’s coverage today has been along these lines, if less vitriolic. My wife is a regular NPR listener, and she found it extremely annoying. But I’ve been listening as well, and I find it somewhat amusing. OTOH, I’m in a somewhat magnimonious mood at this time … (Also, unlike her, I did not actually vote for Trump.)
I’m not saying that they like that stuff, but that they disliked Hillary more. And there was probably a certain amount of “let’s roll this turd in glitter, now that we’ve chosen it.” going on, and that’s what you saw.
The Trump supporters I know constantly harp about Clinton, Benghazi, emails, Vince Foster, impeachment, lying, dishonesty, etc…
Let’s not blame the Democrats for this one. What happened was twenty-five years of Republican lies beat a year and a half of Republican lies.
Yes, exactly. Any competent candidate should have been able to obliterate him easily. That they went ahead with just about the only candidate who couldn’t beat him is, yes, their fault.
Credibility? The ability to learn from experience? Like I said, it didn’t achieve anything in 2000, and it didn’t prevent Bush from being re-elected in 2004.
If you want to carry on the spirit of Sore-Loserman, feel free, but it appears to me to be ineffective, if not counter-productive.
Not sure what this refers to. My comment on gay marriage is a disparagement of judicial activism, if that’s what it was.
Regards,
Shodan
(a) In New York where the way was paved for her. They cleared the primary and she ran for the Democratic nomination unopposed.
(b) Once again the way was paved for her and she faced little if any opposition in the primary (do you really want to get into how she had to struggle against Bernie Sanders? A face made for radio and a voice made for print, no star power and even less money.
(c) She lost to Trump. Fucking Trump. I can name a dozen politicians off the top of my head that wouldn’t have lost to Trump.
Agreed. And no one was more untrustworthy than her.
I sincerely doubt that being a woman is a barrier to getting elected president, not anymore. If Hillary accomplished anything it is the confidence that we will be electing a woman president if and when she is the best candidate. I think being Hillary Clinton is Hillary Clinton’s biggest barrier to getting elected president. Sure she had mud thrown at her, and often for very good reason.
You’re not much of a student of history then. Western civilization did shit like bear-baiting until the mid 19th century, and had Jim Crow laws within living memory. And people STILL get the crap beat out of them or worse for being gay, bi, trans or whatever. Some white people under the age of 80 STILL use the n-word in everyday conversation. They’re still anti-semitic. They’re still racist. They still blame victims. They still conflate Islam with terrorism. They still think that violence is a viable solution to many problems.
Now not everyone who acts or believes these things acts all those ways or believes all those things, but in aggregate, the human race is worse than it is good.
My personal opinion is that most of what Trump said was more of a reflection of the angry monkeys he was trying to get to elect him, rather than his own beliefs and behaviors (that’s not to say that by all accounts, he’s a colossal asshole).
Enlighten me about how much you think it’s their fault. Because it sounds an awful lot like blaming the mugging victim for being out in a bad part of town at night rather than blaming the fucking mugger.
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It’s about time…this would be by far the best thing to come out of this election.
I know all that, dude. What changes is the sense that the arc of history bends toward justice. It’s hard to believe that things slowly but inevitably get better when a throwback like Trump appeals to tens of millions of people.
Well said. That’s what that black pit in my stomach is.
This is like when Eric Cartman entered the Special Olympics…
I get what you’re saying, but… I thought that the entire point of the political fight was to battle against the “tens of millions of people” that we already knew were currently passing bad laws and discriminating and such? How is that part anything like a surprise? There are less of them, true, but who actually thought that the enemy was eliminated, or even on the ropes? The threat existed, which is why many supported Democrats in the first place!
Nice to think so, but on the other hand I wouldn’t discount HillaryZilla lurching back onto the scene in time for 2020.
I think we might have seen the last of the Bushes, though. 
Well I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. All Americans are racist misogynist assholes. Good job Americans you elected the one person in history worse than Hitler. I hope you’ll pat yourselves on the back when Super Satan Hitler starts the nuclear war, which should be in about 10 minutes. You racist mis9ogynist fuckshitters just murdered the planet. And global warming to boot. How I am going to be ok in my Safe Space when it’s full of nuclear radiation that is murdering me?
Thanks, Shodan, you saved me the trouble. I’ve said as much in other threads… Jesus Ef’ing Christ, Hills, you couldn’t beat Trump??? Well, it shouldn’t be so much of a surprise when you had 2008 handed to you but lost to Obama. And then you almost lost the nomination to a grumpy old Jewish Socialist who no one even knew a year ago.
Please go away and don’t run again!!!
Wait, I just thought of a question for the OP and those who agree: what percentage of Trump voters do you think only went for him because he wasn’t Hillary Clinton, and would’ve supported any other Democrat, and what percentage do you think believe in his policies and beliefs?
As has been reiterated by many along the course of the thread: of the two major parties the Democrats’ nominee was better qualified to serve as President. But she sucked at being the candidate. And you have to succeed at that to become the President.
And nothing says that you cannot be completely qualified to be President AND able to to run a succesful candidacy. Look at Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. You can have charisma and competence (it’s one thing to think they had bad *policies, *but they were qualified all right)
In 2008 I was thinking “oh well, someone else will be the first woman president in 8 or 12 or 20 years” …but oh, no, she was not leaving it at that… I know it takes a preposterous sense of self-worth and of the “call of history” to even try running for president seriously, but for fuck’s sake, telling yourself it is your destiny to be the first woman president does not make it be so.
Plus the Dems seemed to not quite get what was going on with the Tea Party wins in 2010 and 2014. These were a warning that the Obama coalition evaporates when he’s not on the ticket even when he’s still sitting in Office, and in his absence, those motivated to actually show up lean to the Right. Where was the effort to make the New Obama Voters show up and vote again?
The problem is how slowly it arcs over the long run, and that the arc is a complex curve that at certain times or over certain segments can and does recede.
I don’t think being a woman is a barrier to the presidency, and I didn’t say that. But in an age where misogyny still lingers much like the darkness of latent racism, it has to be the right kind of woman, judged according to criteria that are much more stringent than how men are judged. Appearance matters, but she can’t be too hot; she needs to be intelligent, but not so intelligent as to be threatening; she is allowed to be somewhat assertive, but not domineering, etc. Hillary didn’t fail in all of those areas – she mainly failed in being unabashedly, aggressively ambitious – a great quality in a man, but not permitted in a woman.
I’m virtually certain that a male version of Hillary would have easily beaten Trump, except that the opportunity wouldn’t have arisen because the male Hillary would also have beaten Obama in 2008 and would now be ending his second term.
I don’t want to be misunderstood here. This was a far, far more complex election than merely a matter of misogyny. But Hillary was definitely handicapped by it.