Those of you who have kids that are that thoroughly and relentlessly obedient, even when you are not around? You’re kidding yourself. Don’t.
Our children have always had “easy” access to guns & ammo. I’ve never locked anything up. Hence, in your opinion, I should not have guns? :dubious:
I’ve had guns & ammo lying around the house since our children were born.
They’re now 11, 15, and 17 years old. We’ve never had even the slightest problem.
It’s all in how you raise them.
It’s all in how you raise them plus dumb luck. To think otherwise is hubris.
Honest question:
Can a parent’s child steal the parent’s stuff as a criminal matter? (Assume the child is a minor, not an adult.)
I am thinking I never got explicit permission to eat the food my parents bought or take a book to school from our bookshelf or lots of stuff. Could my parents have had me prosecuted for theft of that stuff if they were of a mind to? Would police or a court go with it?
You’re mistaking him for Stringer Bell. He died years ago. Elba is the Asgardian god Heimdall, and surely a bulletproof immortal who can lift ten tons and see anywhere in the cosmos is a good choice for a British secret agent. Especially since the Norman conquest.
Pro tip for Shodan: When sentient people parodize right-wing “thought” the humor works because we know they’re joking. When right-wing imbeciles do it, the result isn’t much distinguishable from their normal “thought.”
I think I’m speaking for most of us when I say: We’re not sure whether this particular burst of flatulence was sincere or was intended as self-parody. Nor do we care.
Seconded. You never have a problem, unless of course you do. I had easy access to guns since I was old enough to reach them, had rifles on a rack in my bedroom, and stayed at my brother’s house during the summer. He was a gun nut and kept them loaded. In all those years I never had an incident, right up until the time when I almost did. It was basically youthful excitement over showing someone a gun, and forgetting the number one rule: there is no such thing as an unloaded gun unless you have personally checked it. As an adult, I have never made that assumption, but kids are easily distracted.
Just like the OP, I pit any idiot liberal who encourages children to commit felonies.
And if I’ve never heard of them before, I pit them doubly!
Today’s right-wing self-parody is tomorrow’s party platform.
No, children. You shouldn’t have children.
Clearly written by some gun hating liber . . . ohh http://eddieeagle.nra.org/information-for-parents.aspx. :smack:
It really saddens me. Instead of “That video is ridiculous, no child period could possibly get their hands on my gun(s) without my direct participation” we get “My kids are special!”.
If you want to see the face of the type of people that, in the end, will be responsible for the destruction of “gun rights” in America . . . look in the mirror.
CMC gun owner, who didn’t “play” with his Dad’s guns because the fireworks and porn (in the same dresser drawer) were more fun! fnord!
And now we can argue about the definition of “child”.
I grew up in a house where the guns were in a glass-front gun cabinet. It had a latch, not a lock. My dad kept his service revolver loaded in his bedroom when he was off duty. I did not play with any of these guns because it was forbidden. When I got old enough to hunt, he bought me guns of my own I could shoot_not play with_any time I had the money to buy some ammo. Dad wasn’t real big on simple recreational shooting and wasn’t going to let me turn his money into noise.
I still don’t play with guns and neither does my daughter. She does enjoy shooting, though.
Again, whole point missed = hilarity.
I’ve raised enough children to know that they don’t always obey and sometimes they’ll do things that they are specifically told not to. A little rebellion in just part of growing up. If you have guns in the house and IF they always do what they are told, you probably won’t have a problem. But if they should disobey, the consequences could be quite severe. Personally, I’d never take that chance.
Seriously, I encourage you to read this article. It’s NOT all in how you raise them. It’s all in the underdevelopment of their brains, and in the fact that children don’t evaluate risks effectively, and in the fact that even if they’re responsible, their friends might not be.
The overwhelming majority of folks who leave guns lying around the house with their children have, during all their child-rearing years, either zero or one incidents in which a child accidentally shoots someone. So far you’re in the “zero” category. Which of your children’s lives are you willing to wager on the chance you’ll stay in that category for another seven years?
And this is different from other situations where parents said pretty much the same thing and yet their child did a childish thing and tragedy ensued, how? All you “My family is different from all those others that said the same thing and acted the same way!” people: What is your secret that separates you from the others?
Growing up, I had access to the .22s, shotguns, and deer rifles on display in our dining room. We’d all shot them and been trained in safe handling. I would never have considered “playing” with them when my parents were not home.
Now the Saturday night special I found in my dad’s nightstand while looking for his Palyboys was another story. That held special appeal.
Kids will be kids.
An example of ‘responsible kids’ getting access to guns (weapons technically, and my own experiences). My mother and step-dad were both LEO (city police/county deputy, per se), now both retired, fwiw. Back in early 80’s, when younger brother and I were around 13 and 15yrs old, we figured out how to open the large gun safe in their closet since it had same entry code as house alarm (not wise on their part, of course).
Step-dd was on SWAT so he had the ‘good stuff’ in there 
Parents would leave us at home (was kinda living on my own by then, fwiw) while they went on a trip for a day or two. Occasionally, bro and I would ‘borrow’ the automatics and maybe a sniper-type weapon or two and go shooting out in remote parts of woods of then-sparsely populated far-south Travis County (Slaughter Creek area for those who know the place). I taught myself how to dissemble/clean a number of pistols and auto’s so as to avoid detection of their usage(s). I had fake ID and full beard so replacing the ammo was easy (bought in advance, of course).
Both bro (who years later after Army infantry stint(s) became a deputy himself) and I were taught STRICT gun safety by real dad years earlier, and never did anything dangerous towards others. But an accident COULD have happened, and I am ashamed at what we did. It was friggin’ irresitible, though to us at that point in life - seemed like not a big deal and we were weapon-safe proficient more so than most of rest of gun-owning population, I bet. My dad nearly knocked me out early in his ‘training us’ on a Ruger 10/22 when I accidentally turned towards him with barrel level at him - locked in the ‘never point at what you ain’t gonna shoot’ rule for me. I was maybe 8 or 9 yrs old at that time. Dad made SURE we knew safety and violations made the day at the range done, then and there. We learned, and lived gun-safety.
However, the immaturish-want to play with the good stuff of SWAT overcame the part of breaking into the safe and using them, although always done with gun-safety at top of priorities. If either bro or I had suicidal and/or feeling of going on shooting spree, it’d been way too easy for us. The harsh but loving teaching from my dad taught us the extreme danger of a weapon, and it stays with me to this day.
In mid-90’s when I was living on edge of Snake River in Idaho, myself and a pastor who had son who was friends with my younger son (around 8 or 9 yrs old), along with older son (both of whom got same harsh safety training, of course) brought along another good friend’s kid. I was watching him like a hawk, so to speak, since safety was paramount. We had brought 12g slug-gun to blast at lava humps and some various small caliber pistols. I had laid each weapon on tailgate of my Suburban and one of us parents never left tailgate to ensure control of weapons/ammo, targeting of safe areas, and usage. Oversight was good, so we thought, and kids were learning gun safety at same time while having a ‘blast’. It went bad.
The kid who had never been exposed to weapons much at all apparently let his curiousity get the better of him, and when I was looking one way for a mere moment, he picked up a 22cal revolver pistol to look at it. The pistol had an empty chamber just in case a kid picked it up and tried to shoot it without permission! He shot himself, however, by pulling triger more than once, sigh - FORTUNATELY, the bullet went between his big toe and second toe, with only minor scraping of his skin. Straight to ER, and explained to police the events and parents cleared of wrong-doing since kid had done this behind our backs, so to speak. I feelt HORRIBLE and kid’s parents were not mad at me after hearing of how it happened, but kid got taken to woodshed, so to speak, by his dad.
I guess my point is that no matter how well a person thinks their weapons are safe and secure, there is almost always a way around such things for conniving kids. With my experiences, I am split on mandatory education of weapon safety for all kids. Shit happens, kids WILL disobey strict rules, etc, but education goes a long ways at preventing accidents such as the one I admittedly somehow allowed. I/kid were lucky, and am so glad all of us were OK in the end. Simple curousity of the natural kind made a safe shooting day into one of near-disaster for someone, even in a ‘regulated’ shooting area.
I know this is slightly off-topic, but thought it might give example of how kids might take advice of wrong kind and have no idea of what idiocy it may incur. Feces occur, Murphy’s law…weapons will kill accidentally without strict education/handling no matter what, and any slack in safety raises odds to the n-th, in my opinion. Having kids bring weapons by themselves to school(s) is IDIOCY, no matter the age of said kids.
Sorry so long, but great example of how dangerous a weapon (or gun, if ya prefer) can be, even when a safer-than-average weapon-owner is in control of his weapons. Shit will happen, eventually, to many persons.