Try reading it again. I am sure someone as well paid as you can work out where I am saying you are wrong.
If you have a situation where white peopel are automatically granted 10 bonus points when they take an exam, it does not strike me as recially discriminatory to give non-white students 10 bonus points when they take the test.
It would be better if we could eliminate the 10 bonus points given to whites. But unfortunately in the real world, we cannot always do that. Given we have a hiring system that inherently dsicriminates against African Americans, and in the teaching profession, against men, thereby double dsicriminating against African American men, it is asinine to look ONLY at the affirmative action policies at the end and say that is where the discrimination lies. It is all well and good to claim you oppose all race based discrimination (which may or may not be true) while handwaving away bias in the system, and doing nothing to address it.
There’s an unproven assumpton going round here, and that is that race/gender is the sole basis for consideration. Which is to say that an incompetent black female teacher is being preferred over a competent white male. I would need evidence of that, but in such cases where that were true, then clearly we must discard the benefit to the students of role models, since it is the benefit of the students we are about here, no? There is likely such a benefit of role models, but it cannot be held to outweigh professional competence. Duh.
Similarly, if two teachers are roughly similar in terms of competence and adequacy, I would lean towards the black/female candidate, since the benefit of such teachers for their students is enough to tip an otherwise balanced scale.
I fully concede that sometimes on the SDMB I write more like a guy without enough time to dumb down every post to the level where everybody can understand it.
Well, I disagree. I don’t think the problem of discriminatiomn can possibly solved by more discrimination. It’s a logical impossibility. Also, the two types of discriminationm are qualitatively different–affirmative action is conscious and absolute while the discrimination you are trying to remedy is fuzzy and may not exist to the degree you think it does when designing the discriminatory solution.
Ah, so that’s why your grammar sucks, your arguments aren’t cohesive and you repeatedly ignore direct questions asked to you. You’re too busy to dumb down your brilliant words so that we can understand them. It’s just an illusion created by our ignorance.
I am sure you do disagree. I tallows you to pretend you support equal treatment while in fact you support preservation of the biases within the current system. Not in the slightest bit surprised. After all, you have done very nicely out of the current system, and it is much better to think that those who haven’t done so well have caused their own demise by not making as good choices as you, or not working so hard, or not being as smart (or as down right charming) as you. I am sure it lets you sleep a lot better than an admission that the system itself might be flawed.
Probably not. I for one, have my own money. The bills get paid, I eat good, I can afford my toys. I’m not a millionaire or billionaire, but so what. To me, money doesn’t determine a person’s true value. It’s only a tool of exchange, so we don’t have to barter and pack a herd of goats, fifty pounds of cheese, or whatever people used to barter with. A rich person can be a saint or a villain, just like a poor person. Money, or the lack of it, does not make the person. I don’t feel jealous or envy anyone who has more money, because - hey it’s theirs. But, I don’t feel in awe of them either.
Disclaimer… It’s still much nicer to “function” on a full stomach, I will grant you that
The difference, of course, is that while I’m not unintelligent, you rather clearly go out of your way to mention your income, why that shows that you turned out as a good person, etc… and then feign shock and surprise when called on the carpet.
So, yah. I’m not stupid, but you are trolling.
Fly your troll flag high, I guess.
I’m sure you can apply your humongous personnal wealth to the task. I’d start with the sex change. Then apply blackface, and the lesbian bars are your oyster !
Actually, I’ve lurked for a long time, starting back before the liberal douche coup, and I was motivated to post last year once the Obama love just got to sickly sweet. Fighting ignorance is fun, and there’s a lot here to fight.
Not to dismiss the entirety of your argument, but I feel that a point made earlier in the thread bears repeating. You state that LHOD is an idiot for simply supposing something to be true, yet you offer no support for your counter position other than your own supposition that black boys would not fare better if they had black male teachers as role models.
Your joke references a band known as the Beach Boys. For the benefit of our Puppy Dopers who are not doddering off to play shuffleboard, this band was well known for songs about popular cars, in an era when autoeroticism was considered respectable. They were clean-cut young men, disdaining drugs in favor of ravening greed. Hence, they became known as “America’s Band”.
