I pit "normal" "good" Republicans for pretending that you're not enabling traitors

I’m sorry, but after living through 4 years of Donald Motherfucking Trump as so called president, I have no appetite left for bullshit.

There is no speaking to the die-hard Trumpists – they will have to come out of that darkness on their own.

What I was trying to get across to TheCuse is that ordinary voters who believe in things like ticket splitting and voting for “normal” Republicans need to see how they have - in all fairness, unwittingly - contributed to the situation by rewarding the Republican party with support.

I applaud switching parties, but I think it needs to go beyond that. Republicans cannot be rewarded with votes anymore – period. The party has to be broken down and reconstructed, just a bad corporation needs to be liquidated and re-branded. But that won’t happen if customers keep shopping there. I’m saying, stop shopping there. For the time being, Republican voters need to take their business somewhere else.

I’ll be surprised if we see that happening.

The Republicans are a cancer patient on their deathbed, whose dying words are “Why do I have to die? What about that guy over there with the flu? Why does he get to live?”

I’m afraid you’re right.

I don’t know if we’re at this point yet, but perhaps we could have a reconciliation committee at some point. But Republicans must first acknowledge their crimes.

“The party of personal responsibility” has been shepherded in front of and then behind the scenes by Newt Gingrich, who has cheated on his wives, serving one with divorce papers while she was in hospital recovering from uterine cancer surgery, created fake Twitter accounts to inflate his apparent following by 92%, and was the first Speaker of the House to be sanctioned for ethics violations and the argued that the $300,000 payment levied on him by the committee was not a fine but a “cost assessment”. This is on top of being an Obama birther, voter suppression advocate, general conspiranoist, and being nicknamed “Newt” like the pompous overaged frat bro that he is. “Party of personal responsibility,” my left asscheek. More like the party of perennial hypocrisy.

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Yeah, paragons of virtue. That’s why I called them the party of saying they’re the party of…
Words over deeds, those guys.

It is, now.

It’s also a slur the majority of the time*. That’s why people use it so successfully, because of the plausible deniability.

But it’s not their name. To intentionally call someone by a name they wish to not be called is an insult. It may not be the biggest of insults. Obviously there are bigger ones. But it’s disingenuous to claim that it’s not an insult to intentionally call someone by an undesired nickname.

*I almost put “intentional slur”, but some people are so used to using it that they use it by mistake, even though they may also use it intentionally sometimes.

Here is how a Republican immigrant that had a Nazi parent telling you and your ilk to not ignore history:

I’m a Democrat. Have I just insulted myself? The word has been used to mean “supporter of the Democratic Party” for over a century.

I think it’s supposed to emphasize the “rat” part. This is what a Republican thinks is a clever insult.

Good video.

Watching it, though, reminded me of something. We’ve been searching for parallels for what happened on Wednesday, and it struck me that in some ways, this is analogous to the Beer Hall Putsch of 1923. It was an attempted takeover by violent force that ultimately failed and resulted in multiple arrests. For the moment, it looked as though democracy held.

It didn’t. Instead, it convinced Hitler that in order to take power, he had to do so with political legitimacy first, to acquire political and legal power and then to use that power to strip everyone else of theirs. Just 10 years later, in 1933, he had that power, and we know the rest.

This is not the end; this is probably just the end of the beginning.

Could be, but what you noted is part of what IMHO is the bigger picture: Trump put the cart before the horse.

They are going to learn from this ‘mistake,’ and that will make them much more dangerous. The only way to defeat that danger right now is for ordinary citizens to deny them that power by leaving the party and refusing to vote for it - only then will their political fundraising ecosystem be forced to reckon with a new reality.

That’s exactly why they need to impeach and prevent it from trying to attain power in a future election

Speaking as a cancer patient, we have more dignity than that :slight_smile:

It’s a slur when it’s used as an adjective.

Kinda like the word ”illegal” being used as a noun.

We prescriptivists HAVE got a point, now and then.

The Republicans have another problem, you know…one that goes beyond morals and ideology and trying to appease their violent voter base.

Trump and his cronies have completed and totally overtaken the organization that is the Republican Party. They’ve placed hard core loyalists in almost every key position in the country, and used those people to elect loyalists to the state and local legislatures.

And they’ve replaced all the fundraising platforms with a platform that is controlled by Trump. And they did tons of fundraising on that platform for STOP THE STEAL, which funded the insurrection.

So the big problem that Republicans have is that if they stay Republicans, they will be members of a known criminal enterprise.

Unless Trump stays President, then the world will be set right.

I’m not so pessimistic as you are, the evidence so far. And just for starters, is that you are assuming that many others that oppose them will ignore the mistake they made and not plan for what they will try to pull in the future.

Most tech business (and others) have already seen how bad it is for business to have ignorance and unrest too. After the money and propaganda fails to come to the side supporting sedition, they will not be elected either. Of course I see that as just one factor, adding yours will help, but it is not in my estimation a factor that is needed 100%. Important yes, but your solution is not necessarily a decisive one.

A censure that express declares Trump has committed insurrection that he be barred from serving in political life ever again may also do the trick.

And it continues. This whole “I don’t condone violence, but we need to investigate fake voter fraud claims so that our voters can have confidence in the system that we’re trying to destroy” is just disingenuous.

I’m telling you all now: they will continue doing this, until they are punished where it hurts the most. The media have convinced us all that Trump is the problem; it’s not that easy. It’s really a problem of mass ignorance.