Definitely not. In fact, he’s the least objectionable candidate ever. As such, I expect he’ll be the most ineffectual president ever. Not that I don’t like the guy, but I rather enjoyed reading the news every morning for the last four years with some controversial story about Trump. Right or wrong, he was at least interesting.
That’s fucking pathetic.
That’s what the next four years are going to be alright.
“I’m really bummed that the massive wildfires have been put out, they were really pretty to watch at night.”
No, pathetic describes what you said, what you lived. The next four years, if nothing else begin with hope and optimism. I don’t give a fuck if it’s boring, you dipshit.
Comparing apples to oranges, right on. Politics today is more entertainment than substance.
Oh, here we go again with the ‘hope and change’ bullcrap. I prefer something actually being done, rather than hoping for four years.
No, I’m pretty sure I’m comparing apples to apples. You’re all good with mayhem and death as long as you’re entertained. To each their fucked-up own, I guess.
That is why Trump was an idiot for thinking that that was enough.
What in the world is left?! LOL
You mean to say that, if the local Republican mayor is a good guy, that’s enough reason for you to stay with a party that has been taken over by fascists, supremacists, and anarchists?
If people leave the Republican party, it will be forced to divest itself of the extremists and become the Republican party that we once knew. If you don’t make it change, it never will.
This is a perfect example of the old saying, " If you love something, let it go. If it comes back to you, its yours forever. If it doesn’t, then it was never meant to be."
No. The Republican party “we once knew” didn’t magically change in 2016. it’s the same party, with the same rabid, willfully ignorant, entitled base that they’ve relied on since the Southern Strategy. The party just went from using dog whistles and winks to outright pandering and grievance politics under Trump. Sure the party has lost the fake sheen of respectability, rationality, and “anti-big government” that they’ve tried to paint themselves as for decades. But the party hasn’t changed, we just see the truth about them now.
This ^ And it did all of this with eyes wide open. The party knew it was playing with high voltage wires; they just chose not to believe that they’d get shocked.
I was hoping - still hope - that Trump doesn’t form a Patriot party; I’d rather some of the better Repubs become independents and gradually come back to the party when the party realizes that they can’t be a party of extremists. However, maybe I’m wrong, and maybe a MAG-exit would do the trick.
I am not, nor will I ever be, a conservative, but every democracy needs a rational conservative party. I accept that liberalism can go too far and create a welfare state that turns a leg up into dependence, and it can end up failing to imagine a future beyond fake utopia. I hope that Republicans can go back to being the party of Eisenhower and Ford and ditch the Nixonian legacy of throat cutting and back stabbing.
I don’t know if you read my other responses. If I leave the Republican party I would effectively disenfranchise myself.
Only three Democrats have ever even appeared on my ballot and gone on to win the election. That’s including Biden & Harris, who didn’t really win the election (for my state’s electors).
~Max
That was “hope and optimism”, you dumb motherfucker. Not “hope and change” which is what you said. Idiot.
If this is the goal, then a MAG-exit can only be a good thing. The way I see it, the inmates are running the prison in the Republican party, no rational thought anywhere in sight from their platforms and actions. Having a Patriot party siphon off the nutjobs and more violent adherents might, emphasis on might, just catalyze the slow process of bringing the Pubs back to normalcy.
I agree with your sentiments but I think the only way that we can return to sanity and unity is to have Trumpism thoroughly and unambiguously defeated. And the best way for that to happen is if they form their own separate entity that can be excised and rejected while leaving a safe harbor for those who may have accommodated those ideas in the past but wish to rejoin polite society. Trump forming his own party is the best way to bring this about.
He splits the vote with the Republicans in 2024, spewing unadulterated hate encumbered by even a nod towards statesmanship and garnering maybe 10-15%, of the electorate as both parties and the vast majority of Americans reject him. His name becomes synonymous with hate and failure with no one wanting to be associated with it. The Republican party rebrands itself as having never having had anything to do with that crazy man, all of his former supporters gradually float back in but go back to keeping their racism and xenophobia under wraps and their dog whistles quiet.
The republican party might splinter, but that shouldn’t be a priority and it shouldn’t be our goal to try to make it fracture.
OTOH, there absolutely should be an effort to bring some real accountability to those who tried to turn the White House into a criminal enterprise. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it once more: go after Trump’s cronies first – put them in jail for any crimes they’ve committed. Make it clear that presidential power cannot protect these kinds of rat bastards. If we can’t get them at the federal level, then get them in state courts if that’s an option.
We agree about the priorities just not about the best way to reach them. It is much easier to remove an isolated tumor than one that has invasively infiltrated its host. I don’t think that the Republicans can return their party to normalicy so long as the alt right remains a significant presence in their party, and I don’t think they can remove that influence presence on their own. So without a “splintering” of the party the Republicans will either remain a thoroughly dysfunctional obstacle to our countries prosperity or it will have to die completely and be replaced by a third party. I think the splintering of the party is the only way to preserve it long term.
How do you think that changes?
Good people of conscience change their allegiance away from a party they can’t stomach anymore.
Look what happened in Georgia.
Yeah, well I don’t think it’s going to change any time soon. And I’m not willing to disenfranchise myself to express how dissatisfied I am with the Republican party, just like (presumably) you and I were not willing to consider third-party candidates in this past election.
~Max