“America is at that awkward stage. It’s too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.”—Claire Wolfe, 101 Things to Do 'Til the Revolution (1996)
It’s 30 years later. Is it time for the next stage yet?
…my apologies in advance. Because I’m gonna get into it.
But to be fair, the OP started it with a teeny bit of genocide denial.
This is obviously a subject for another thread. And if you want to start it, I’ll join you.
But this is bullshit. It’s a fiction constructed to make people feel better about themselves. But Biden was every bit in lock-step with what was happening in Gaza. I think we would be in exactly the same place as we are now if Harris had won. The only difference would be it wouldn’t be in the news. I made that case back here while the Democrats were still in charge.
When Biden left, Rafah was being cleansed, the north was being cleansed. Israel were claiming Beit Hanoun and Beit Lahiya were empty in November 2024. Who was President then?
The genocide was well under way on Biden’s watch. The case for genocide was made in December 2023. The only thing that’s changed is that now things are orders of magnitude worse.
This is the reality:
And it wasn’t just this. This guy here?
He was pure fucking evil. They were ghoul’s. I probably sat through more of those press conferences than everyone here, and they were apologists for Netanyahu. And Miller was one of the worst.
I don’t bring this up very often because it isn’t going to change a damn thing. I’m not going to spend much time going after Biden or his supporters. Trump and co are orders of magnitude worse. Of course, people should have voted for Biden.
But don’t pretend that Biden was a “voice of restraint”. Most of the Democrats were entirely useless here, and most continue to be entirely useless now. I documented the atrocities here on the dope that were committed on Biden’s watch. He doesn’t get a pass.
America is funding this war. They are providing material support for this war. They are playing deflection at the UN, voting against almost every single resolution. It’s being done in your name. This is every part America’s genocide as much as it is Israels. And yes, even my own country is complicit.
We don’t get to wash our hands of the blood that easily.
Good grief
In terms of deportations, no.
In terms of Gaza, he’s proposed removing the native people and taking over their land. Due to events like the Trail of Tears, the death marches of the Armenian Genocide, and various other acts of ethnic cleansing, any forced transfer of people by ethnic or other class characteristic is classed as a form of ethnic cleansing and a crime against humanity.
Likewise, if the US were to be complicit in the organized starvation of the people in Gaza, that would be an active form of genocide.
Firstly, the “Trump is planning” point has already been addressed. Trump “plans” to do whatever the last person he spoke to suggested. It’s what those people are planning that worries me.
The point on slavery has also been addressed - literal slavery isn’t coming back but as any historian of Reconstruction and Jim Crow America can point out, de facto slavery is already effectively a thing and the current administration has made it clear they’d like a lot more of this, if only for personal profit.
And I don’t think even the most rabid Christian Dominionists are actively planning to instigate a nuclear war, although this administration is certainly capable of inadvertently raising the risk level of one through sheer stupidity, incompetence and blind malice.
But genocide? Even setting aside Gaza, in the past seven months the “stop worrying” crowd have gone from “It’s not like there are camps” to “Okay, there are camps but they’re not technically death camps.” SEVEN MONTHS.
As actual Holocaust scholars have been noting since the first Trump administration, both the rhetoric against certain minority groups and the ongoing restrictions on their rights have closely mirrored the progression of the Nazi regime in the 1930s. And now we do have armed thugs grabbing legal residents (and even citizens) off the streets and imprisoning them in inhumane conditions with no recourse to due process. We have a steady increase in dehumanizing language and literal blood libels to justify this. And we have their expressed intent to continue to make things worse and worse and worse for their chosen targets.
And yet we’re told that it’s the fault of the people who sounded the alarm too early that things were getting as bad as they’ve already gotten, by the people who have been telling us all along - and continue to tell us - that things aren’t that bad and won’t get that bad.
Funny, that.
I like to say that the administration is made of Nazi cosplayers. Not evil enough in the USA, but they are condoning and doing a lot of evil outside the US. But even not talking about that evil, there is the reality that what Trump and henchmen are doing their most damnable efforts to make things become deadly to hundreds of thousands -or even millions- of people in the near future, in the US and all over the world.
The Trump administration’s plan to weaken clean air protections could cause more than 10,000 asthma attacks per day while cutting lifesaving asthma prevention programs and as House Republicans seek to slash pollution reduction efforts, clean technology investments, and essential health care coverage—all to give tax breaks to billionaires.
Agreed, and this is the very definition of “indirectly.” That makes us no less guilty of the results, mind you, but it’s not the same as leading.
They’ve wanted a nuclear war for decades. We’re just lucky that Gorbachev managed to convince Reagan that the Soviets were literal characters from the Book of Revelations (he compared the USSR and China to Gog and Magog), because by all the evidence Reagan was strongly considering kicking off the end of the world for Jesus. If there’s anything making them more reluctant it’s that the other nuclear powers don’t have as many nukes anymore and would have problems exterminating all of the US like they want to happen in the End Times. The sinners are supposed to burn while they get Raptured into Heaven before the bombs hit, after all.
Now, Trump doesn’t want that I’m sure; the God he worships is the one he sees in the mirror. But that doesn’t mean he won’t nuke some other country that doesn’t have its own nukes to shoot back with. I suspect Mexico is the most likely first candidate, to kill as many brown people as possible and “secure the borders”.
People telling me I’m being hysterical:
Bill Maher who had dinner with Trump and praised him, also wants to use the N word without being held accountable.
People who told me 11 years ago that Trump would never get elected.
People who told me 10 years ago that the “good” Republicans, political norms and the Supreme Court would restrain him.
People who told me a year ago that Trump would never get re-elected.
You don’t need to look overseas to see this regime celebrating ‘ethnic cleansing’, cultural erasure, and genocide:
Brought to you live and direct from official @DHSgov communications:
Play “Spot the ‘Dog Whistles’ to Genocide and White Supremacy”.
Stranger
It’d be swell if diehard anti-Trumpers could stop claiming he staged the assassination attempt in Pennsylvania. While this seems to be a view from way out on the fringe, I keep seeing posts on Twitter making this accusation, sometimes with before-and-after close-up photos of his ear.
Just stop, people. Those fantasies put you in the same camp as the looniest of right-wing conspiracy nutters.
Has anyone in this thread done this?
I skipped through about 80 posts but my hot take is duh.
OF COURSE anyone saying that Trump is, or plans to, literally commit genocide, reinstitute slavery, or intentionally start a nuclear war, is worthy of being pitted.
The same is true for anyone saying those things about @Little_Nemo . Those bastards! They should stop saying that! It’s hysteria!
I don’t know if this is a strawman thread or if Little Nemo hangs out in corners of Twitter filled with Russian trolls but I’ve yet to encounter anyone saying those things about Trump. Or Little Nemo, for that matter. But when I find them, you bet I’m going to have an awfully persuasive argument in my head with them.
I am, now, but everyone’s been ignoring me in this thread anyway.
trump never got shot. I said it. It’s obvious. The most telling fact is that there never was any investigation, no congressional hearings. Nothing to find those woke communist socialist dumbocrap traitors that supported this attack on our brave president. If it really happened, trump’s ego would demand justice!
Yeah, I was totally in the “he got shot, that’s pretty gnarly, but let’s move on” camp until eventually the conspiracy theorists got to me by osmosis.
But it wasn’t staged. That’s insane. People died that day, nobody’s going to stage that. What happened was he almost got shot, which is still pretty fucking gnarly. Then he hit his head in the secret service pile, on what we’ll probably never know, and got a bit of a cut on his ear. THEN he hammed it up and let anyone who said he got shot keep saying it without correcting them, and THEN he just adopted that as the official narrative.
I stand by my previous statement.
Yeah, I find that more likely. I do agree that the extent of whatever ear wound he sustained in whatever manner was grossly exaggerated for dramatic effect, given how quickly it went away.
On the other hand, some conspiracy theories do involve patsies dying. I mean, I don’t think that’s what happened here (and I desperately hope it isn’t) but the idea that Trump and his friends would give a shit if some unimportant peon died during a stunt to get him elected is pretty unlikely.
Ah, Manifest Destiny.
I wonder what all the “Indians” Trump was making such a big deal about recently with regard to baseball team names think of the Trump administration reviving this.
The biggest thing about the trump “assassination attempt” is how inept the Secret Service is. That a nut job with a rifle could get that close, and actually get off a couple shots, means they are incredibly incompetent, or “in on it”. I believe incompetent, but I wouldn’t be surprised at anything, and either way is bad. And if he actually could shoot, then we wouldn’t be having this thread at all.
I consider Bob Roberts the most scariest movie ever, and it had a fake assassination attempt as part of election strategy of a right wing ideologue, and that was 1992.
Sorry if I misread your intent. You wrote “complaints” but didn’t specify what those complaints were about. I thought you were saying that one tenth of the complaints about how Trump was planning on genocide, slavery, and nuclear war were uncited and the other nine tenths of the complaints about how Trump was planning on genocide, slavery, and nuclear war had cites.
Judging from your response, I now think what you were saying is that one tenth of the complaints about Trump are uncited ones claiming he is planning on genocide, slavery, and nuclear war and the other nine tenths of the complaints about Trump are cited ones about how he is committing crimes, abusing his presidential powers, targeting political opponents, ordering illegal arrests and deportations, and undermining democracy.
If the latter is what you were saying, I’m in full agreement. That’s the point I was making in the OP (although it seems to have gotten lost). We should be focusing on the things Trump is actually doing and not getting distracted by a small minority of claims that which aren’t true.
I’m a child of the 60s and was only vaguely aware of country music except for the classics until the 80s. One day I was complaining to a friend that the only radio I could listen to was the oldies station which played the music from my youth, except that they kept playing the same songs over and over. He suggested that I try the local country station. He said that modern country music was “where decent music went to hide”. That was when I discovered George Strait (who I agree is great), Reba McEntire (love that woman!) and all the others. I do agree that the shift to uber-patriotism and glorifying redneck culture is not for me.
I know you said you skipped through a lot of posts in this thread. This was about five posts above yours.