No, Ace. Just you.
I don’t understand what you’re asking here.
What “track record” are you asking about?
And what are you asking how I know? Are you asking how I know who’s won past elections?
I do agree with what I think you’re saying about Trump. He tried to illegally overturn the 2020 election.
It’s things like that that are the reason we should focus on getting Trump and the Republicans out of power.
I voted for Clinton in 2016. Trump won.
I voted for Biden in 2020. Biden won.
I voted for Harris in 2024. Trump won.
I will be voting for whoever is the Democratic nominee in 2028. I hope they win.
…In an as vague and ineffective manner as possible, apparently. Here’s an innovative thought-Lets impeach him and depend on the Republicans to see the light and convict him, because that has never been tried before, right? 
To sum up:
We all already agree on the ultimate goal (removing Trump).
Little_Nemo thinks that the immediate goal is the 2026 elections; others disagree on the immediate goals, but also think we can work on multiple fronts at once.
Little_Nemo feels that speculation about Trump’s future badnesses will demotivate people and prevent them from voting, but has not been able to come up with any evidence to support his feelings.
Others feel that speculating about Trump’s future badnesses is a useful exercise as a part of strategizing.
Is this right?
I would work with the Klan to fight the Nazis. And then when the Nazis were defeated, I’d fight to defeat the Klan.
No, I didn’t say Trump’s “badness” was an issue.
Read the OP if you haven’t done so.
Let’s not oversell the case. Trump is not planning on committing genocide. Trump is not planning on restoring slavery. Trump is not planning on starting a nuclear war. (Although he might do that last one by mistake.)
I also explained why I thought this is a bad strategy in regards to the goal of defeating Trump and the Republicans.
Why do I think this needs to be said? Because I feel that these false accusations (which have been made on this board) are helping Trump by making the crimes he is committing seem less serious.
Trump can legitimately deny he’s committing genocide as he illegally arrests people. Trump can legitimately deny he is restoring slavery as he guts civil rights. Trump can legitimately deny he is planning on launching nuclear weapons as he ruins America’s standing in the word. Making these wild and untrue accusations against Trump gives him cover for the things he’s actually doing.
This is the argument I made. Not the arguments that I have been accused of making (including, ironically, several accusations that I have been making strawmen arguments).
That was six months and a thousand posts ago. I still stand by that original argument but I’ve added an additional one since based on posts in this thread.
Because a number of people have responded to my original argument, not by attacking the argument, but by directing personal attacks against me.
So here is the other argument I have made in this thread.
The goal of defeating Trump and the Republicans is more important than your personal feelings. So if somebody disagrees with you on some issue but they are willing to vote against Trump and the Republicans, don’t attack that person.
Swearing at people and directing personal attacks at people because they disagree with you will not make them agree with you. If they weren’t opposing Trump before, they won’t join the opposition because you attacked them. If they are opposing Trump, the best case scenario is that they ignore you. The worst case scenario is that you antagonize them to the point where they withdraw from the opposition because they associate it with you.
Let me repeat, the goal of defeating Trump and the Republicans is more important than your personal feelings.
I hope we all get it Little_Nemo, stop being mean to you or you’ll vote Republican.
…I’m literally quoting his arguments and responding to them directly.
What non-existent threats are you talking about exactly? There was maybe a single poster early on who engaged in what perhaps could be described as hyperbole. But the goal wasn’t to “win voters.” It was a rant on an obscure messageboard that hardly anyone ever reads any more. Why is that a problem?
So how would a rant on a messageboard demotivate people from voting? Explain the mechanics to me because it sounds like bullshit.
I’m not yelling at the trans-hating-asshole because “they are voting for my candidate for the wrong reason.” I’m yelling at the trans-hating-asshole because they are a trans-hating-asshole.
I don’t think tone-policing is either an effective tactic or something that could in any way possibly be enforced. Little_Nemo just wants to scold people.
We are responding to whatever random pivot the OP decides to take the thread.
Why would that matter? We stopped arguing those points because Nemo had no effective counterargument so they pivoted.
…I’m sorry, but do you have a bunch of trans-hating-assholes on speed-dial? Do you give them a phone call every day and reassure them that you don’t hate them?
Are you imagining that I’ve got a bunch of trans-hating-assholes on speed-dial? And that I call them every day and tell them that I hate them?
I’m not sure how this fantasy world of yours works exactly. I’m not going to spend the next nine months yelling at the same trans-hating-assholes. I go out of my way to avoid trans-hating-assholes. I will yell at any people that I encounter that behave like trans-hating-assholes. But that’s okay, right?
And since you brought up Palestine: 77 percent of Democrats and 51 percent of independents, according to the Quinnipiac University poll, think Israel is committing genocide in Gaza, Six in 10 US voters also oppose Washington sending more military aid to Israel, 75% of Democrats oppose Washington sending more military aid to Israel.
Those numbers are pretty clear. An overwhelming majority of Democrats think military aid to Israel should stop. So you don’t object to that being debated, right? It should be front and centre at the primaries. This shouldn’t even be controversial. The Dems pivoted immigration policy based entirely on how things were polling; they should pivot here as well, right? And if they don’t, you wouldn’t object to people being vocal about it?
…the problem here, and its a pretty fucking big problem, is that your proposed “solution” is based on nothing more than your personal feelings.
It isn’t based on empirical data. It is based on your weird imaginings on how things work out in the world.
And it’s completely unenforceable. What do you want to do, set up tone-policing moderators on Twitter? Its a completely stupid thing to focus on because there is absolutely no way to enforce it except for scolding people.
That isn’t a workable tactic or strategy. It’s something you can do to make yourself feel good.
Tone policing won’t defeat Trump and the Republicans. If you want to defeat Trump and co you need to get your head in the game. And that starts with doing something you seem fundamentally unable to do: and that’s listening.
Come on guys, we know that after the trans folks are consigned to the gas chambers, Nemo will absolutely fight to their last drop of blood to protect the rights of gay folks.
Who, precisely, in this thread, has said they’re going to follow anybody around for nine months scolding them about their position on Palestine?
People have said that they’re not willing to be overtly friendly with those who are threatening their very existence. That’s not remotely the same thing. It’s not remotely either of the same things.
No.
I agree that an immediate goal is the midterm elections; both getting votes in them, and getting them held as fairly as possible.
I disagree that the way to win the midterms is to tell people that their entirety reasonable concerns don’t matter and that those concerns and the people who have them should be ignored by the Democrats.
I also disagree that the only way to win the midterms is to ally with actual Nazis. I don’t believe we’re looking at a Stalin-or-Hitler situation here. There are some parallels which are relevant, but that’s not one of them. And if it were, there’d be no hope except trying to flee the country; a behavior not very compatible with showing up at the polls.
I think we need to lean on the current administration’s actual terrible behavior; but we also need to point out that the result of allowing the current behavior to continue would be that anyone at all can be arrested and imprisoned, in the USA or elsewhere, at any time with neither warrant nor any subsequent due process; and that yes that includes the potential voter. And that yes this is a standard tactic of totalitarian governments. And that the claim that only those Others are ar risk is bullshit and a wedge in the door, and that anyone who doesn’t want their own door knocked down at three in the morning had damn well better defend whoever they think is those Others while they’ve got the chance. Whether or not they want to sit down to dinner with them, yes; but not whether or not they’re willing to be in the same country with them.
You’re not even trying at this point, are you?
Trying harder than you did with that list.
That’s not a convincing argument in a thread where people have been scolding me for my position for the last nine months.
What list are you talking about?
The list of a “dozen examples” of posters attacking people, other than you, for planning to vote against the Republicans for the wrong reasons.
In other words, nobody has. So why did you bother telling us we shouldn’t do something nobody’s doing? I quoted you doing so.
It’s not a convincing argument to attack people for doing something they’re not doing. And it is an argument people are going to criticize. Complaining that people point out that you’re talking nonsense isn’t a convincing argument either; especially when the only rebuttal you can find to make is that the people you’re trying to scold are scolding you. In the thread you started in the Pit.
…you big weirdo.
This is your thread.
And you started it in the pit.
If people have been “scolding you for nine months”, that’s because your pit-thread has backfired. It means your pitting is so poorly supported and you have made such a poor argument that it’s basically mostly just you against everyone else.
And the thread keeps going because you just won’t stop. And thats either because you are trolling or because you are delusional. I still can’t figure out which.
And no, people aren’t scolding you for your position on Palestine. The only person likely to do that here would be me. But I don’t even know what your position actually is.