…I’m actually the guy who has said multiple times in this thread and others that people should vote for Harris, and if I actually had a vote, I would have gone out of my way to cast it for her.
I think you need to put more effort into listening to what I actually said and not what you imagined I said.
I’m talking about the people you’re defending, not you. The people who did not vote for Harris.
…so is that what you wanted Mamdani to say to them? “You’re a fucking idiot. You’re the guy who would assassinate F. W. de Klerk to speed up the negotiations.” That would have made a great viral video, I suppose. But do you think it would have helped him win the mayoralty?
Is that what you think the Democrat strategy should be? Because if you do then again: you are missing the point.
This is reality. People are imperfect. They hold imperfect opinions. They will make imperfect decisions.
We are in a post-truth world where the algorithm drives everything and the so-called “low information” voter is at the bottom of the chain, barely struggling to survive. And when I listen to these people I don’t hear “I voted for Trump” but I hear “I’m in pain. My brothers and sisters are in pain. And I want it to stop.”
That you just hear the first thing and instantly dismiss the second is the problem with this discourse. They didn’t vote for the Democrats because they aren’t listening.
You might think they are fucking stupid, and I can understand that. But what are you going to do about that? You can scold them. Or lecture them. Or dismiss them. But was anything they were asking for even remotely unreasonable? Stop killing kids. Make things more affordable. Listen. Why can’t the Democrats do that?
This isn’t hard.
It hinges on the crucial difference between thinking of future consequences versus only reacting to the present moment. No matter how understandable a reaction (that word understandable is creaking under the strain of the weight being put onto it) out of overwhelming emotion, failure to consider the future is a downright blunder. What we got now is immensely worse than what we had 2 years ago. There’s no justifying that.
Listen to the cries of the suffering is the right thing to do and we should all be doing that. Just don’t let it fuck up everything.
Stupid or evil, if they voted for Trump. No excuse is good enough, short of literally having a gun pointed at them. They committed an unforgivable evil.
Honestly, I kind of feel the same way about a lot of Trump voters. I think it’s unlikely the issue of Palestine kept enough voters away from the polls to give the Republicans such a decisive victory in 2024. And even if it were, brow beating them isn’t very constructive. I still can’t wrap my head around people who voted for Trump in 2024 and I don’t think I can wrap my head around those who weren’t motivated to vote against him.
…the only “blunder” here is the assumption that people are some sort of automatons that are obligated to give their vote to the people that take them for granted every single time.
Because what exactly do you think “give people something to vote for” actually means?
Millions of people voted for Trump at the last election. And millions of people didn’t even vote at the last election. Why didn’t they vote for the Democrats? Well we have some of them on video telling you exactly why. And the response here is to call them “fucking idiots” or “stupid” or “evil” when all they were asking for was to “stop killing kids. To make our lives more affordable. Just listen to us.”
Again: what was it in those videos that they were asking for that was so unreasonable? Why is it so hard for the Democrats to commit to stop funding and supporting the genocide of the Palestinian people?
I’ll note time and time again how often people will complain about those who didn’t vote in the last election but will avoid acknowledging the Biden administration’s complicity with that genocide. You just avoid it altogether. Why is that? Do you condemn Biden’s complicity with the genocide of the Palestinian people?
Evil is such a strong, emotive term.
I reserve it for the worst of the worst. And I fail to see how any of the people in that video would fit into that category.
Rafah was supposedly President Biden’s “red line.” On the 12th of February 2024, Israel launched a series of attacks on Rafah, coincidentally at the same time as the Superbowl in America.
One of those people killed was Sidra Hassouna. She was seven.
I’ve unfortunately seen a lot of horrific images out of Gaza. But this? This was one of the worst. The explosion had propelled her body out of her house. And she was just left dangling, suspended in midair by her shirt, legs severed, trousers shredded.
The image, for anyone that wants to see it is below. Spoiled because its not safe for work. Do not click if images of murdered children upset you.
In the following months the attacks on Rafah continued. It was flattened. Ethnically cleansed. Rafah now sits behind the “yellow line”, a line that keeps moving, taking ever-more land every single day, that no Palestinian is allowed to cross; if they even approach it, they risk getting killed.
President Biden never said a word. Not a word of sympathy for Sidra Hassouna, slaughtered while Americans cheered and celebrated. Not a word about the crossing of the red line in Rafah.
I get that many Americans have a parasocial relationship with “Joe”. That people regard him as one of the “good guys”.
I used to think that as well.
But I call him “Genocide Joe” now. I think he is just as evil as the guy he shook the hand of in 2024 when he hosted him in the White House. Just a few months after that meeting, an arrest warrant for Netanyahu was issued by the International Criminal Court for “for the war crimes of starvation as a method of warfare and of intentionally directing an attack against the civilian population; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts.”
As far as I’m concerned, Biden and every single member of his administration are complicit in those warcrimes. I think Trump and co are just as complicit.
And I think its telling that Der_Trihs, one of the most “left” members of the board, one of the “extremists” who prompted this thread in the first place, chooses to single out random New Yorkers as “evil” but won’t say a word about the guy who shakes hands with indicted war criminals. If you were to ask me who the evil guy was? I’d be picking Biden every single time over everyone in that video.
Because there’s no point, you don’t get to be President of the US without being evil. I have never in my life respected a politician or thought they represented me. It’s all harm mitigation.
As I’ve said in the past; if the Democratic candidate was literal Satan himself and rose from Hell out of a fuming crack in the Earth on camera, I’d still vote for him over a Republican. Because no Democratic President, no matter how bad they are as a person would ever be allowed to do as much damage as a Republican, or match the collective threat of the Republican party. Biden couldn’t have done a tenth as much harm as Trump if he tried.
As a Democrat, Biden fundamentally never mattered that much, nor did Harris. Their only value was as placeholders to keep a Republican out.
…so by these standards, this makes you evil right? You voted for an evil president. So that makes you evil. (Assuming you voted for Biden and Harris)
I didn’t vote for an evil president. So that means I’m not evil. Good to know.
No, you voted for the woman who quietly agreed to support the genocide of Palestinians, but would feel bad about it.
Yes, we did, because we are adults who live in the real world, and understand that choices have consequences.
No, I voted against Trump. I didn’t vote for anyone. I never cared who the Democrat was or thought it mattered, my concern was to keep Trump out.
And as ensuing events have demonstrated, that was the correct position to take.
…huh.
Well, according to others, then, not voting makes you just as responsible for Trump’s victory. If your concern was to “keep Trump out”, then not voting wasn’t an option. And yet…thats what you chose to do.
So again: evil.
I’m sorry, but I don’t make the rules.
It’s perfectly clear what we are saying.
You’re crying like a baby, and thinking that trumps logic.
Or more properly holding your breath until to turn blue to teach THEM a lesson.
…to be perfectly frank: I have no fucking idea what you are talking about here. “Crying like a baby?” “Thinking trumps logic?” “Holding my breath until to turn blue to teach THEM a lesson?”
Who is “THEM”? What on earth are you talking about now?
Babies do self destructive things out of frustration. You can understand the frustration, but as an adult you recognize the self destructive nature of actions.
I think your puzzlement is feigned.
…what “babies” are you talking about?
I seriously don’t understand what on earth you are talking about.
I swore I wasn’t going to do this, but I sort of hate it being implied that I’m slack jawed and ignorant. russia has convinced me of nothing.
The deliberate targeting of civilians is not, “collateral” damage. It is the deliberate murder of non-combatants. Targeting journalists is not “collateral damage” it is murdering the people that could expose your Genocidal intent and adding to your Genocidal crimes.
I don’t think Israel should be undone 'cause that ship sailed in 1948. I do think that right of return including the theft of the homes that those “Muslim” isralies endure needs to end. So no I’m not stupid, slack jawed, ignorant, or easily manipulated. I do however, feel that you, Smapti will forgive any and all sins committed by the Israelis. I really don’t understand why.
IDF members raped a prisoner and weren’t prosecuted. IDF members are on record stating they’ve witnessed and been ordered to conduct atrocities. Netanyahu deliberately put incompetent Trump stooges in charge of distributing aid in Gaza, knowing that it would lead to starving, suffering, and death for Gazan civilians. These are facts, not propaganda.
Smapti now has his fingers in his ears, and blindfold on shouting la la la la…I can’t hear you.