Obviously, what morons like the one you’re responding to want us to do is meet them half way. Death to half of the Jews.
And the best way to get that is to make it clear to to the Democrats that the Palestinian issue is important to some voters and that the party cannot ignore their concerns and still expect their vote. Which is what some voters made clear in 2020.
Wasn’t that Patton guy allied with the “true chief villain of World War II”? I heard that from a very respected historian with a world renown “history” podcast about how evil Israel is, so it must be true.
It’s pretty incredible how Jews like Herzl were able to time travel after the Holocaust and create Zionism and Jewish communities in Israel decades before WWII.
Yes, who really cares about the ethnic cleansing of America, the destruction of the American government, the threats of invasions of American allies, the war crimes in Iran and the threats of genocide there too, the thing that matters is Gaza.
And your evidence for that is a list of Hamas employed “journalists” who appear on Hamas’ list of military fighters? Ok.
How about the gang rape, and lack of prosecution? Is that just no big deal to you?
You do understand that you are admitting that you don’t care about the genocide of the Palestinian people, right? What kind of person does that make you?
No I’m not, you fucking asshole, I’m pointing out the damage those who were just fucking pure to not help Trump get elected are responsible for. The blood Trump is spilling is on their hands too.
If it wasn’t for people like you, they wouldn’t have had to take such desperate measures. This is what it took to get your attention. You didn’t care until you were negatively impacted.
What the fuck are you talking about? I’ve been pro Palestinian my entire fucking life. I can also see that ethnically cleansing America by letting Trump get elected needs to be opposed at the same fucking time. But hey, if allowing the fucking planet to burn doesn’t nothing to stop the Palestinian genocide it’s just how things go.
For fuck’s sake, those who via action or inaction helped Trump win did not in any way stop the genocide. Trump’s win made the genocide worse. There was no necessary action in letting Trump win, and no Gazan is better off.
More Gazans are dead and will die because of their actions.
That’s why I can’t absolve them of blame.
…I’m not “excusing them” but explaining just how desperate they were. You don’t think we didn’t have these arguments with them at the time?
But when faced with this on a daily basis: (link to videos from the Genocide Archive, spoiled because not safe for work)
why do you think people wouldn’t try anything to stop it?
I followed multiple Palestinians on the ground. Many of them are no longer alive. I follow a wide range of people from activists to aid workers to the daily flash updates.
And Biden did not “slow roll” everything. Isreal did whatever it wanted. It was systematic. You can go read the reports from the ground. They go right back to the beginning. Claiming he did is a fucking lie (I’m not calling you a liar) , and if it came from “Beau of the Fifth Column”, then he shouldn’t be saying those things because it simply isn’t true.
There was no need to fan any flames when the Biden administration was complicit in the genocide. It was a thing they were doing.
And if you have any evidence of this conspiracy theory that “people were claiming to be against the genocide when they really weren’t” feel free to post it. We know that the opposite was true. I’ve encountered them multiple times. I can assure you that the pro-Palestinian side do NOT have this sort of budget. And we don’t need to manufacture anything. The truth is horrific enough.
Say it with me: Biden and Harris were complicit in the ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people, and they failed in their obligations to the Genocide Convention to prevent and punish the perpetrators.
Because “better on this topic” is such a meaningless, bullshit thing to say. It absolves them of guilt.
It’s understandable. And you should not blame them. And I will defend them because they deserve to be defended.
And as I said upthread, I believe that they actually cared about this issue because we had these discussions with many of them. They were incredibly emotional. But they felt they had no other options. You seem to have missed how much work went on behind the scenes from pro-Palestinian people to try and get the Democrats to throw them a bone. Let them speak at the convention. Don’t send Clinton or Cheney to Michigan. Just anything.
But they were treated with contempt. They got nothing. It was arrogant. It was contemptuous. And it had consequences.
You can’t keep on spitting in someone’s face and then expect them to bow down and fall in line.
Again: imagine we were talking about the Holocaust. Would you characterise that as a “single issue”? America was providing the weapons and the cash.
And both Trump AND Harris supported the genocide in Gaza. The argument you are making doesn’t work.
And yet you won’t say a word against Biden and Harris and the Democrats. You’ve already absolved them of blame.
The Democrats didn’t lose because of a statistical handful of voters in a state where their vote didn’t matter. They lost because Biden wasn’t well and shouldn’t have pulled out much earlier, because Harris ran a milquetoast campaign that lacked any bite, and because they listened to the pundits and the consultants and the lobbyists and the donors and didn’t listen to the Dem voters.
There probably would have been no difference on the ground. The idea that “Trump is worse” is speculation on your part. And claiming that “more Palestinians in Gaza will die because of their actions”? That’s a horrible thing to say and simply isn’t true.
I don’t really care about the debate as to whether it was right or wrong to withhold a vote from Kamala over Gaza (for the record I think it was wrong, but I understand the other side and have no interest in trying to change any minds), but as for the future, I’m very much in favor of making Democratic leaders believe they will lose support, and be more likely to lose future elections, if they don’t oppose Israeli actions in Gaza (and other atrocities and warmongering).
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…just curious @Little_Nemo, are you fine with this hijack, or do you want us to shift over to another thread? My personal apologies; I tried to at least keep my Gaza stuff close to the topic, but if you want us out, I’ll self-report to the moderators.
I’ll admit I feel the issue of Israelis and Palestinians killing each other is peripheral to the topic of how to make the best impact in the 2026 American congressional elections.
But I’ve said what I want to say on that topic. If people want to discuss a different issue, I don’t see a need for moderator action.
Oops, sorry.
This is the pit. The most a mod might do is move the Israeli/Hamas stuff to another thread
Do we even have one of those?
How considerate of you to ask after 4 days of hijacking this thread. To be fair, I agree with your posts, and you certainly aren’t the only one responsible, but it’s getting really old here.