I pit pushy drinkers. That's all of you (in my experience)

[Uzi]

@ntucker

You weren’t responding to her post somewhere else in the thread, you were responding to a post about her going out and having some casual drinks with friends. So your response wasn’t appropriate and was the type of thing that puts people on the defensive, much like your last paragraph

I hope you’re happy as you’ve made me revisit that thread.

Here was my first post. A direct response to the OP about if I’ve ever been drunk with an explanation why.
My second post was in response to BrandonR asking if there was a prude convention in town. Anything wrong with my response there?
Then BrandonR said we must be real fun at parties in this post
We get to this post where I’m asking MeanOldLady (this post was the post after the one you quoted, so yeah, my interpretation is correct and yours isn’t. Bolding was added to emphasize my point):

What started this was the comment that those of us who don’t drink must be ‘fun’ at parties. Obviously meaning that if you don’t drink you can’t have fun. So, my question is can you not have fun at parties without drinking? Or, are only parties where people drink fun? You, yourself, said you wouldn’t go to a party if there wasn’t drinking involved.

And this was her response

Now regarding your last statement, no, I would not attend a dry party. In my (admittedly limited) experience, people who won’t drink at all tend to be mightily fucked up about the brain. This is not to say dry parties are exclusively attended by weirdo teetotallers, but I would guess more so than a normal party.

Then she made this comment to Indistinguishable:

He should drink more.

If only we’d all drink more then we wouldn’t be so uptight or our lives would be better.:rolleyes:

If you take a look at that thread it was us ‘teetotallers’* that were the ones being ridiculed initially. Funny thing is that I don’t feel the need for some sort of an apology from anyone because I don’t take shit like this personally.

*teatotallers: I think this pisses me off more than anything. I hate tea. Well, maybe hate is too strong a word, but I don’t drink it.

[Uzi]

@MeanOldLady

You rest fuckall. He’s right, you’re wrong. Even here, you’re trying to pretend that drinking is a fine and good activity in which you simply choose not to participate, but this is clearly not the case. Do we really need to go through sifting through various threads and start quoting the anti-alcohol silliness you say that equates drinking with having a problem and being a douche, or bring up the stories about your abusive, alcoholic father which have clearly sullied your image of alcohol?

Fuck, you people have some serious defensive issues regarding your drinking.
I have in no way said that drinking is a fine and good activity. I have said that I don’t care if you drink, period. I have admitted that I have issues with people who drink to excess and that I’m not going to put up with your shenanigans if you do and why that is. What the fuck more do you want?

[Shot_From_Guns]

@Uzi

I tell people about the welding course I was just on and the gate that I designed and made myself. At no point do I try to convince them to take the course or even suggest that they do so. If they are interested then they’ll ask.

Welding isn’t exactly comparable to drinking. I can offer you a drink, but you can’t offer me two pieces of metal and a big hot flaming thing and say, “Here, try this!”

Also, you never ever try to convince people that they might enjoy something you enjoyed? You must be unspeakably tedious.

@ivn1188

So just to put it in a sound byte: I’m not offended by people who don’t drink. I’m offended by your arrogant disdain for people who drink, and your ignorant and hyperbolic claims that these drinkers are weak alcoholics who can’t function socially without being liquored up to the point of lampshade wearing.

I’m even more offended by your bullshit about how you would never be such a heel as to question anyone’s statement on their likes and dislikes, no matter how specious their position.

Oh my god, you guys. I… I… I agree with ivn. I think I need a drink.

@Vambo

It’s not that you don’t drink, it’s that you need to make a huge production of telling everyone in the world that you don’t drink, and you don’t like the taste and you don’t like drunk people and so on.

Exactly.

[wonky]

@Shot_From_Guns

Also, you never ever try to convince people that they might enjoy something you enjoyed? You must be unspeakably tedious.

I’m utterly baffled.

[MeanOldLady]

@Uzi

Fuck, you people have some serious defensive issues regarding your drinking.
I have in no way said that drinking is a fine and good activity. I have said that I don’t care if you drink, period. I have admitted that I have issues with people who drink to excess and that I’m not going to put up with your shenanigans if you do and why that is. What the fuck more do you want?

Most people have a problem with excessive drinking. You’re not going to get a crown for that. You have issues with drinking period.

Edit:

If only we’d all drink more then we wouldn’t be so uptight or our lives would be better. :rolleyes:

Joke, dear. Joke.

[Shot_From_Guns]

@jsgoddess

I’m utterly baffled.

Anybody who’s never cared enough about anything to want to get other people involved in it, interested in it, or to experience it (taste it, read it, listen to it, watch it) is, to my mind, incredibly boring.

@MeanOldLady

Edit: Joke, dear. Joke.

I think he needs a drink.

[Bosstone]

@Shot_From_Guns

Welding isn’t exactly comparable to drinking. I can offer you a drink, but you can’t offer me two pieces of metal and a big hot flaming thing and say, “Here, try this!”

You have to admit, though, the attempt (especially after a couple of drinks) would make for a good story (over a couple of drinks).

[perfectparanoia]

A couple of things:

1. There really are people in the world who can taste alcohol in anything. My mom is one of them. For years, she has tried everything we have ever thrown her way and still makes a face no matter how little alcohol there is, whether it is beer, wine or spirits, mixed or straight.

2. People who don’t just accept that you don’t drink are assholes. Period. I know that the OP was at a work function where options are limited but if these are your friends, you might want to consider a higher class of people to hang out with.

3. This whole thread is making me look forward to Christmas day.

First up will be a meat and cheese platter with a nice red wine and an icewine infused with hot peppers (sounds weird but rocks with salty food)

Next will be beers and nuts.

Then dinner with white and red wine. (I like my turkey with red wine making me a freak, I understand.)

Then dessert with another bottle if icewine.

Then after dessert we will have Bailey’s and Harvey’s Bristol Creme (yes, I know it is horrible but it’s a traditional nod to my grandpa who is no longer with us).

[Shot_From_Guns]

@Bosstone

You have to admit, though, the attempt (especially after a couple of drinks) would make for a good story (over a couple of drinks).

I dunno how easy it will be to hold a wineglass in my brand-new metal claw prosthetic.

[msmith537]

@Shot_From_Guns

I dunno how easy it will be to hold a wineglass in my brand-new metal claw prosthetic.

With a metal claw I would picture you more as a Scotch man.

[Bosstone]

@msmith537

With a metal claw I would picture you more as a Scotch man.

I wouldn’t picture her as a man at all.

[Shot_From_Guns]

@msmith537

With a metal claw I would picture you more as a Scotch man.

I hesitate to think how your mental image is going to shift when you figure out I’m a woman.

[wonky]

@Shot_From_Guns

Anybody who’s never cared enough about anything to want to get other people involved in it, interested in it, or to experience it (taste it, read it, listen to it, watch it) is, to my mind, incredibly boring.

I’ll ask someone if they know or have tried X. I trust them to know if they have any interest.

[Bosstone]

Going back a couple of posts:

@Shot_From_Guns

Anybody who’s never cared enough about anything to want to get other people involved in it, interested in it, or to experience it (taste it, read it, listen to it, watch it) is, to my mind, incredibly boring.

I don’t disagree, but I think there’s a difference between offering something to someone who’s open to it, or even just cautious, and someone who’s strongly resistant to it. The former can be fun, and I always look forward to introducing new friends to my favorite stuff, but the latter I look upon the same way as teaching a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the [del]pig[/del] other person who’s totally not a pig in any way.

[wonky]

@Bosstone

Going back a couple of posts:I don’t disagree, but I think there’s a difference between offering something to someone who’s open to it, or even just cautious, and someone who’s strongly resistant to it. The former can be fun, and I always look forward to introducing new friends to my favorite stuff, but the latter I look upon the same way as teaching a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the [del]pig[/del] other person who’s totally not a pig in any way.

Yeah, I just don’t like proselytizing. It doesn’t really matter what the topic is. Once someone says they aren’t interested, they deserve to be taken at their word. I will go on enjoying the things I enjoy and if they change their minds, they are welcome to try it.

For me, I have too many things I’m interested in to worry whether someone else is interested, too.

[spinky]

@Uzi

I hope you’re happy as you’ve made me revisit that thread.

Not nearly so happy as I’d be if you’d have done it with an ounce of self-examination.

we get to this post where I’m asking MeanOldLady (this post was the post after the one you quoted, so yeah, my interpretation is correct and yours isn’t.

Well, no, you seem to have drawn an incorrect conclusion about what she’s saying, paraphrasing her to mean it is impossible to have a good time without drinking, when what she has actually said is that she doesn’t like hanging out with people who are rabidly anti-drinking, which is who tends to throw and attend dry parties. There is a big difference between hanging out with well-adjusted people who just happen to not be drinking (which can be plenty fun) and hanging out with people who think having a beer means you’re “into the whole getting-puking-drunk-and-making-an-ass-of-yourself thing” or whatever stupid notions the OP and other zealots such as yourself have.

Thanks for pulling out the “gee, you’re sure defensive” tactic again. It’s almost as intellectually honest as all those degenerate drunk strawmen you are arguing against.

I see you’re introspection-proof, though, so I guess I’ll quit trying.

[aruvqan]

@Shot_From_Guns

Welding isn’t exactly comparable to drinking. I can offer you a drink, but you can’t offer me two pieces of metal and a big hot flaming thing and say, “Here, try this!”

.

I can see you have never visited our house when our roomie is out back in her forge… she will try and teach any reasonably responsible adult how to forge something. She finds it fun, and actually it is a kick seeing a lump of metal eventually turn into a rose or a heart shape. And with proper supervision it is even pretty safe as long as you are careful and follow directions.

[Shot_From_Guns]

@Bosstone

Going back a couple of posts:I don’t disagree, but I think there’s a difference between offering something to someone who’s open to it, or even just cautious, and someone who’s strongly resistant to it.

The question is, *why *are they resistant to it? Where someone says, “I don’t like X,” where X is some broad category, it stands to reason that just because they haven’t liked *other *X doesn’t mean they won’t like *this *X. See my previous example of Jim Carrey films. When somebody refuses a blueberry muffin because they don’t like blueberries, that’s a good cue to drop the issue, because blueberries are relatively consistent in taste, texture, etc. However, if someone refuses a blueberry muffin because they don’t like baked goods (absent a physical issue like Celiac’s), it stands to reason that they just might like *this particular *baked good. And if they’re saying, “Baked goods are fucking disgusting–how can you stand to eat that trash? Can’t you enjoy a party without stuffing your face, you disgusting pig,” I’m probably going to punch them in the teeth and then plant my knee firmly in their chest to keep them on the ground while I cram that fucking muffin into their goddamn mouth.

@aruvqan

I can see you have never visited our house when our roomie is out back in her forge…

Oooh, can I come to *your *parties?

[Bosstone]

@Shot_From_Guns

The question is, *why *are they resistant to it?

I don’t see that it particularly matters. I mean, if it comes up in conversation and the person seems like they might be interested in a different X, I might bring it up. But that implies they are not strongly resistant, and thus don’t really count.

It comes down to if someone says “I simply don’t like X,” and I continue with “But why don’t you?” or “But have you tried this X,” then to my mind I am being disrespectful and pushy, even if they give their reason and I think it’s a stupid one.

[wonky]

@Shot_From_Guns

The question is, *why *are they resistant to it?

Because they are separate people who are allowed to have their own likes and dislikes without passing some sort of acceptability threshold.